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belboid said:
how do you know that? I've no idea whether they were planning/hoping to march anywhere, but I dont see that there is reall any eviodence either way. It is quite possible that they had every intention to do so.
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Well the stated intention (on facebook and the Millwall forum) was to "protect Eltham" - unless there's some credible evidence of an intention or an attempt to do something else, I'd be inclined to believe that was the intention. You've already said that evidence doesn't exist - hasn't stopped others stating - without reservation - that they were off to Lewisham.
 
I've said I havent seen any, which isnt the same as saying none existed. It could be somewhere other than facebook or youtube! The only non net 'evidence' I've seen is comments from the local MP (obviously someone whose word could never ever be doubted) who was also saying that a bunch of EDL had 'attached themselves' to the main body and were trying to whip them up. Truth in that? Fuck knows
 
past caring said:
Well the stated intention (on facebook and the Millwall forum) was to "protect Eltham" - unless there's some credible evidence of an intention or an attempt to do something else, I'd be inclined to believe that was the intention. You've already said that evidence doesn't exist - hasn't stopped others stating - without reservation - that they were off to Lewisham.
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hold on, so what is going on here then ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlZZwjY3vY4&feature=player_embedded
 
belboid said:
how do you know that? I've no idea whether they were planning/hoping to march anywhere, but I dont see that there is reall any eviodence either way. It is quite possible that they had every intention to do so.
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well i did say 'stated intention' in my post which was a reply to cantsin asking a specific question based on a hypothetical situation of two different groups of people with the stated intention of marching into central lewisham/catford- and it's perfectly clear there was no stated intention from anyone to march from eltham into the centre of lewisham last night

but my main issue is that lewisham & catford was rife with rumours last night about NF marching into the centre of lewisham. You will surely appreciate the significance/symbolism of such a thing and how things like this could lead to a racialising of what has up until now been squarely a social issue. And all this because of some knee jerk liberal screaming about seeing some white people doing the same as turks/kurds/indians/muslims/sikhs have been doing. It's bad enough with the actual EDL/BNP trying to inflame the situation and turn it into a cultural/race thing, so it doesn't really need it being further inflamed by liberal/middle classes/lefty prejudical flame stoking
 
cantsin said:
hold on, so what is going on here then ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlZZwjY3vY4&feature=player_embedded
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There's police blocking the roundabout and a group of about 15 blokes (there may have been more, but it's not possible to see) on one side walking along. Seems they'd have come down one road leading onto the roundabout and walked off down the next.

It's quite possibly evidence of OB being determined to prevent any attempt to get to Lewisham - it's not evidence of that being the intention.
 
love detective said:
well i did say 'stated intention' in my post which was a reply to cantsin asking a specific question based on a hypothetical situation of two different groups of people with the stated intention of marching into central lewisham/catford- and it's perfectly clear there was no stated intention from anyone to march from eltham into the centre of lewisham last night

but my main issue is that lewisham & catford was rife with rumours last night about NF marching into the centre of lewisham. You will surely appreciate the significance/symbolism of such a thing and how things like this could lead to a racialising of what has up until now been squarely a social issue. And all this because of some knee jerk liberal screaming about seeing some white people doing the same as turks/kurds/indians/muslims/sikhs have been doing. It's bad enough with the actual EDL/BNP trying to inflame the situation and turn it into a cultural/race thing, so it doesn't really need it being further inflamed by liberal/middle classes/lefty prejudical flame stoking
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do you believe they have been doing that ?
 
Yes - a bloke does make a racist comment. Beyond that?

(would also be useful if you could post the url - neither the "Share" or "Go to video" options appear to work from these boards)
 
Cheers - as I thought, Enfield (news this morning said that there'd been some attempt to get those in Enfield defending the community into white t-shirts - which are obvious in the video - and the bloke who created the video is in Enfield).

Again, given the other evidence so far, I'm not sure what this is evidence of, other than a bloke making a racist comment?
 
past caring said:
Cheers - as I thought, Enfield (news this morning said that there'd been some attempt to get those in Enfield defending the community into white t-shirts - which are obvious in the video - and the bloke who created the video is in Enfield).

Again, given the other evidence so far, I'm not sure what this is evidence of, other than a bloke making a racist comment?
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Them running down the street screaming get the pakis? Or Griffin on twitter? Or any EDL on fb?
 
past caring said:
@ skitr - What the fuck are you on about? Have you read the last couple of pages?
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I'm on about EDL/BNP inflaming the situation obviously, which they've been doing for several days. I took it to refer to the whole situation which is what it said, rather than Enfield/Lewisham/Eltham.
 
skitr said:
I'm on about EDL/BNP inflaming the situation obviously, which they've been doing for several days. I took it to refer to the whole situation which is what it said, rather than Enfield/Lewisham/Eltham.
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Still can't work out why you quoted my post - which itself was a reply to the video rutita had posted.

I know this is a thread about the EDL in general, but the debate in the last couple of pages is about whether the EDL were the organisers of the events in Enfield and Eltham, or whether there was an attempt by some EDL to latch on to those events. And whether racism was an overtly motivating factor for the majority in attendance.
 
Fuck off you silly cunt. You have trouble with comprehending the written word or something? Where have I defended the EDL? Or racists?

I have cast doubt on the extent to which the EDL or racism influenced the crowds who were out in Enfield and Eltham last night. In other words, I've defended people who've been accused of racism or being motivated by the EDL (and NF) on no real evidence. What are you saying - you'd rather they were racist?
 
Find some proof the EDL organised Enfield and Eltham some people are obsessed. The left has disintegrated to hating the Jews and the white working class hasn't it.
 
PC, defending the EDL, as if! what a larf, this site really is going down the pan, racialising a whole group from the actions of a few, on the net there are some dodgy comments amongst the Kurds running the looters out of their area, don't hear anyone picking up on that, the liberal left is becoming wacist against the white working class...

meanwhile in birmingham, real ethnic tension is sadly brewing after the hit and run kills three men..
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/10/birmingham-riots-anger-deaths
 
ddraig said:
you are very eager to defend them aren't you pc
like spymaster with the cops
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and he'd be quite right to defend a large group of people who have been accused of racism/being EDL by liberals stirring up racial tensions on here and elsewhere

here's a selection of some of the more reasoned tweets about the situation from last night (and yes nothing on twitter these days can be taken as reliable etc..):-

- No indication of edl or other far right involvement in eltham at moment (Matthew Taylor - Guardian)

- This was mainly locals, not edl etc from outside, out to defend what many called ‘white working class neighbourhood’ (Matthew Taylor - Guardian)

- markadoi84 We’re saying the opposite - no sign of EDL in #Eltham (BBC Five Live)

- There was no bnp in #eltham tonite, no racist attacks, no marches, local people protecting their community.please stop the false lies

- Right bed time. Its a shame what was a good bit of unity to protect our town has been twisted by lies into a supposed racist march!

- It wasnt just millwall fans protecting #Eltham it was the whole community!!! get it right!!! and it wasnt nothing 2 do with racism!!

- Eltham residents are defending there area an not #EDL.. WELL DONE, the lefties tho think u look like them :/ which is skinhead drunk thugs
 
something similar to eltham is going to happen in Birmingham tonight - it's unclear right now whether it's football firms or just EDL. I don't if anyone who is more connected into this can shed any light on it? I'd guess it's not all over fb or I'd be seeing it here.
Know people who are in town who are going to take a look at it and let me know. 6pm seems to be the advertised time but I'm hearing rumours now of 400 blues fans coming into town.. that could easily be bullshit.
 
Rutita1 said:

'Chasing Blacks' :rolleyes:
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This footage is of Spurs hoolies in Enfield, yeah the guy saying "Look they're chasing blacks" is obviously a racist prick .. but as you can see he is an onlooker and not part of the mob.

EDL will claim some of this but this was not their initiative, but will want to play the race card etc etc..
 
juice_terry said:
This footage is of Spurs hoolies in Enfield, yeah the guy saying "Look they're chasing blacks" is obviously a racist prick .. but as you can see he is an onlooker and not part of the mob.

EDL will claim some of this but this was not their initiative, but will want to play the race card etc etc..
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Quite frankly, if that group caught up with a random Black person and beat the shit out of them, it's the same crap.
 
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