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For what it's worth, I don't think arthur did send those pics. And I don't think it's worth banning him. It seems to me that he's not just trying to persuade us that the EDL aren't racist scab cunts, he's trying to persuade himself too. I think he knows he's been taken for a mug but he's got too much invested in it now (ie. posting on the web defending the EDL 24 hours a day for the last 2 years, the sad twat)
 
Re: 32CM, don't they support the bombers/dissidents in NI, or at least, their 'political wing' nice people to have on hand to defend the Left these days...
 
Well, we don't have moral and physical giants like you around anymore tl so we have to take what we can get. And frankly if I'm under attack and someone offers help I'll accept it and ask questions about their politics after.

Do you ever change the record? Concerns about their politics have already been raised - you're adding nothing to the debate but can't resist it when it offers you a chance to indulge in your obsession of making (not so subtle) digs about the left. It's getting really, really boring now.
 
I don't think that ED are racist, maybe some racist among us but we as an organisation racist, no, culturist, perhaps, racist, no. I don't mind a multi-ethnic society, I was brought up in one and I really cannot see any sense in racism, it seems to me a bit, er, old fashioned, this idea that whites are somehow superior.
But the culture of England is quite superior to many others, it's tolerant, it tries to be fair, it tries to help those down on their luck, dole, medical help, housing help, the list is endless.
It could be better but it could be be far far worse. Especially should something as barbaric as shari'ah law ever get any kind of foothold here.

Problem is, it's beginning to gain ground, what do you do, submit, hell no, never, never Read Alarm, EDL are going to an Islamic area, what?? That should ring alarm bells, Islamic areas, imagine England divided up into areas or more correctly, ghettos. Sorry, cannot allow this to happen.

Arthur.
 
'Do you ever change the record? Concerns about their politics have already been raised - you're adding nothing to the debate but can't resist it when it offers you a chance to indulge in your obsession of making (not so subtle) digs about the left. It's getting really, really boring now. '


Actually i think you will find I also have a good long term track record of highlighting basic bread and butter issues here on urban and campaigned nationally against the welfare cuts when the left was obsessing about identity politics and Iraq..

btw, do i know you?
 
Re: 32CM, don't they support the bombers/dissidents in NI, or at least, their 'political wing' nice people to have on hand to defend the Left these days...

I don't think this matters when it comes to anti fascism. The SWP and others on the left hAve a long history of supporting "terrorist" republican movements, should we not ally with these too?

The Labour Party has committed far more crimes than republican movements could dream of but if a Labour Party member has the same ideas of fighting fascism as I do then I welcome them aboard.

Also since when did revolutionary socialists ever want "nice people" (in the terms you use the phrase) solely on board?
 
Authur 2, since when did England have one culture? Do the working class estates of London have the same culture as a nice village in Kent? Does Glasgow have the same culture as Cardiff? There is no over riding culture in England or the UK. Salfordian W/C culture is different in some ways from M/C Essex culture.

Get a grip.
 
For the record, I don't think Arthur2 should be banned over the photos, I DO think that the tool who posted them up then dismissed concerns over security should be held to account.
 
I DO think that the tool who posted them up then dismissed concerns over security should be held to account.

I had a look back through the thread to see these photos and the user should have been banned straight away. The pictures are gone now but the name used here is Rightside (maybe a clue?) and the id on the photopage is UKFD which is the shortened name of UK Freedom Forum (an EDL forum). It was obviously someone from EDL posting photos of people on here to take the piss.

Fucking ban arthur2 too - why give space to edl? they'd happily see us dead.
 
'Do you ever change the record? Concerns about their politics have already been raised - you're adding nothing to the debate but can't resist it when it offers you a chance to indulge in your obsession of making (not so subtle) digs about the left. It's getting really, really boring now. '


Actually i think you will find I also have a good long term track record of highlighting basic bread and butter issues here on urban and campaigned nationally against the welfare cuts when the left was obsessing about identity politics and Iraq..

btw, do i know you?

Which "the left" are you talking about tl? It's not a homogenous entity you know - trendy liberals do not the left make. And you only seem to "highlight" issues we're already fully aware of and trying to address - like on here, where the concerns have already been raised. Yes, people who self-identify as "left" have become obsessed with identity politics and international issues, to the neglect of important matters closer to home. That's hardly an earth shattering observation, do you think people here don't already know that?

I've only ever encountered you on here, thankfully.
 
I don't think this matters when it comes to anti fascism. The SWP and others on the left hAve a long history of supporting "terrorist" republican movements, should we not ally with these too?

The Labour Party has committed far more crimes than republican movements could dream of but if a Labour Party member has the same ideas of fighting fascism as I do then I welcome them aboard.

Also since when did revolutionary socialists ever want "nice people" (in the terms you use the phrase) solely on board?

I think you are looking for trouble allying yourself with them. They support groups who are ultimately anti working class.
 
I had a look back through the thread to see these photos and the user should have been banned straight away. The pictures are gone now but the name used here is Rightside (maybe a clue?) and the id on the photopage is UKFD which is the shortened name of UK Freedom Forum (an EDL forum). It was obviously someone from EDL posting photos of people on here to take the piss.

Fucking ban arthur2 too - why give space to edl? they'd happily see us dead.

I'd happily debate with you over a pint down the pub mate, I may be against the politics of the left but see you dead, that's stronging it a bit isn't it.

Arthur.
 
I'd happily debate with you over a pint down the pub mate, I may be against the politics of the left but see you dead, that's stronging it a bit isn't it.

Arthur.

Jeez arthur I thought you would have given up this pro-EDL forum trolling a long time ago. I hope Tommy is paying you a wage-cos you are dedicated if not obsessed with defending the undefendable.;)
 
Authur 2, since when did England have one culture? Do the working class estates of London have the same culture as a nice village in Kent? Does Glasgow have the same culture as Cardiff? There is no over riding culture in England or the UK. Salfordian W/C culture is different in some ways from M/C Essex culture.

Get a grip.

Of course there are differences, but surely the over all culture is the same, ie, democracy, equality,freedom of speech, the right to education, the right to free medical treatment at point of use. the right not to be discriminated against, all these things are part of our culture.
Any thing which is against this, needs to be challenged, this is our way of life is it not and I feel this is what I am defending.

Arthur.
 
But the culture of England is quite superior to many others, it's tolerant, it tries to be fair...

yes, there's so much tolerance inherent to stating that something is superior. :facepalm:

Especially should something as barbaric as shari'ah law ever get any kind of foothold here.

We had something just as barbaric when our nation, then as religion-centred as Islam is, was 13 centuries old. We were still hanging people for stealing food a mere 300 years ago, transporting them halfway around the world a mere 150 years ago. Hanging them by the neck until dead a mere 50 years ago.

Problem is, it's beginning to gain ground, what do you do, submit, hell no, never, never Read Alarm, EDL are going to an Islamic area, what?? That should ring alarm bells, Islamic areas, imagine England divided up into areas or more correctly, ghettos. Sorry, cannot allow this to happen.

Arthur.

How is shariah "gaining ground"? Please cite me any changes to the UK's constitutional law that allow a place for religious law to be practiced in place of civil and criminal law.
 
Authur 2, since when did England have one culture? Do the working class estates of London have the same culture as a nice village in Kent? Does Glasgow have the same culture as Cardiff? There is no over riding culture in England or the UK. Salfordian W/C culture is different in some ways from M/C Essex culture.

Get a grip.

Since when were Cardiff and Glasgow in England?!
 
I was merely expanding the argument to the wider UK as there are the WDL, SDL and UDL however minute they are.

"There is no over riding culture in England or the UK"
 
Of course there are differences, but surely the over all culture is the same, ie, democracy, equality,freedom of speech, the right to education, the right to free medical treatment at point of use. the right not to be discriminated against, all these things are part of our culture.
Any thing which is against this, needs to be challenged, this is our way of life is it not and I feel this is what I am defending.

Arthur.
why aren't you on the side of the anti cuts movement then? :confused:
or at least those that are fighting the erosion of our civil liberties and (sic) equalities and who have been for years?
 
I don't really understand where you're coming from. Like a poster has said the EDL have done demos in Wales and the SDL did one in Berwick upon Tweed.
 
This been posted yet?


http://edl-nottingham.co.uk/an-open-threat-to-the-edl-from-alarm/

The All London Anarchist Revolutionary Movement (ALARM) have posted a open ‘Threat’ to the English Defence League ahead of the Tower Hamlets Demo 3/9/11.

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The EDL are marching into the “lion’s den” and into the “heart of the UK’s most militant Islamic area”.
We have only one message for the EDL, steer clear of Tower Hamlets. Coming here on Sept 3rd will be a risky enterprise for you. The EDL will not only be facing mass opposition from Bangladeshi Eastenders or even angry Muslims but secular forces ranging from local youth, trade unionists, street gangs, militant anti-fascists – much to their dismay, the EDL will painfully discover there are substantial numbers of white Eastenders who will physically oppose them on Sept 3rd.
The EDL have no politics except mindless support of the monarchy and armed forces. They worship authority, incoherently abase themselves before the utterly bankrupt system, love the bosses, grovel before their “social superiors”. They oppose any challenge to our society and the wealthy, from striking workers, rebellious students, school kids to the “black Bloc” And of course the EDL have their rabid islamophobia.
The EDL in true football hooligan style are boosting of “Taking” Tower Hamlets. It is they who will be “taken” one way or another. These “Law and Order” fanatics may even find themselves on the receiving end of police brutality. How ironic, it’s beyond parody that the EDL claim to be against the homophobia and misogynist bigoted outfits such as Hibz-ul Tahir. You couldn’t make it up, Misogynist homophobes against homophobic misogynists. The EDL and hate groups like Hibz-ul Tahir live in a symbiotic relationship feeding off and boosting each other.
UAF (or the ever opportunistic left) are another ingredient in this bubbling cauldron. They have called a national demonstration in Tower Hamlets, Sept 3rd. Do they believe the people of Tower Hamlets are incapable of dealing with the EDL themselves? Or defending the area? We welcome any genuine support but don’t need to be marched off in the opposite direction from the EDL. Or preached to by a collection of shady politicians and Leninists masquerading as “Democrats” Do they really think we are so thick that we need to be told what the EDL are or represent? Or that we need to be “led” on the day?
We don’t call on the authorities to ban the EDL demonstration. We are only too aware of police behaviour on the streets of Tower Hamlets, and the role of the courts and government. In no way do we require their “protection” – we have had enough of it already. Should the EDL be foolish enough to show up on the 3rd of September they will only succeed in uniting the White, Asian and Black working class and others against them. And we certainly need to be united for the fight against the next financial meltdown, the cuts, their social consequences and the mass intrusive policing the state is planning for the forthcoming 2012 Olympics – when we will be placed under a situation that resembles military occupation. Sept 3rd is a prelude to this. A final message to the EDL – step into a Lion’s den and you will be torn apart.
 
Of course there are differences, but surely the over all culture is the same, ie, democracy, equality,freedom of speech, the right to education, the right to free medical treatment at point of use. the right not to be discriminated against, all these things are part of our culture.
Any thing which is against this, needs to be challenged, this is our way of life is it not and I feel this is what I am defending.

Arthur.

Well then the EDL are against this and need to be challenged. They're against freedom of speech and association for the left and Muslims. They support the TORY government that's actively trying to increase inequality. When students were demonstrating against tuition fees (ie. for free education) the EDL opposed them and sided with the police who were beating students and disabled people with batons.

These things are not part of "British" culture. They are all things the left and the labour movement has faught for over the years, things groups like the EDL have consistently helped the establishment to oppose.

Fuck off scab.
 
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