krink
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If you're ever in the north east let me know and we'll debate then you fucking scab cunt.
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If you're ever in the north east let me know and we'll debate then you fucking scab cunt.
Deareg
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All the above have been fought for and won by the working class and will be taken away from us if we ever stop fighting or drop our guard, it was cunts like the EDl who have happily sided with the ruling classes in their attempts to deny us those rights and will side with them again in their attempts to take them away again.
Corax
Luke 5:16
None of these things are an overriding part of UK culture.
democracy - FPTP is rigged and not everyone's vote is equal
equality - Nope. Rife with discrimination on the basis of capital
freedom of speech - UK libel laws tourism
the right to education - which varies in quality massively depending on how much money you have
the right to free medical treatment at point of use - not for long if Lansley gets his way, and seriously eroded already
the right not to be discriminated against - What, seriously? Like Blags intimated, the irony is palpable
Urban-Guerrilla
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The 32csm Have been on hand to tackle the issue of anti-social behaviour and Drugs in various parts of YORK. Residents approached the 32csm when the police and council offered no solution to the problem, and im happy to add it lead to a reduction in incidents for the residents who aproached and no bombs were involved in the process.
Jeez arthur I thought you would have given up this pro-EDL forum trolling a long time ago. I hope Tommy is paying you a wage-cos you are dedicated if not obsessed with defending the undefendable.
Because I think my cause is just one and some one needs to fight this stealth jihad.
Arthur.
MellySingsDoom
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Hang on, isn't the message from EDL HQ that the "jihad" (give me strength) is happening openly in front of us all, and that the "communists" of the State (yeah, I saw that "David Cameron is a Marxist Jew" comment on one of the pro-EDL Walls on Facebook - funnily enough, it was neither deleted nor challenged) aren't doing anything about it? Why is it "stealth" all of a sudden then?
First off, support the Tories, I don't think so, we are affiliated to no political parties and me personally I voted for the raving loony party in the past but I haven't voted this century at all, complete waste of time as all politicians are corrupt.
It's the politicians who have and are buggering this country up, not EDL, EDL are a symptom of of the mess, not the cause.
You know full well that the Labour party deliberately set out to bugger us all up.
You seem to forget that EDL was formed whilst Labour was in power and allowed our troops to be abused, even to the extent of having to buy their own boots.
You also seem to forget that it was Labour who created the cuts and they were supposed to be on the side of the unions and the working man.
Perhaps I might also remind you that EDL did not start this fight with the left, the left, via the UAF and SWP did, they decided we were an enemy. So what on did they think the reaction would be. We didn't want this.
In the beginning we approached several left wing groups, like Mariam Namazies One Law for All. The Council of Ex Muslims and a couple of others who's names I forget. But by then the left had decided that we were Nazis, racist, fascist, hooligans etc.
It was the left who decided to be violent, smash the EDL, favourite slogan by the UAF, lone EDLers getting beaten up after leaving a demo by groups of UAF and SWP.
So it is not that EDL are not anti the cuts but more anti the left, which is not the same thing at all.
Arthur.
SpineyNorman
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Stealth as in impossible to be detected? Have you thought that might be because it only exists in the minds of paranoid fuckwits like you?
elfman
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Wow... if I got beat up by someone from the SWP, I'd be ashamed to even of admitted it...
On a more serious note. I'm anti-EDL and a socialist but have never agreed with UAF tactics in regards to the EDL. However, you act as if EDL have always conducted themselves in an exemplary manner, when its obvious that its quite easy to attach a hooligan and racist tag to the EDL because these people are rife in your ranks.
Can you provide a bit more evidence on the EDL trying to contact the said groups please? (Mariam Namazies One Law for All. The Council of Ex Muslims etc ) And also, when were they approached and did they give a response or ignore you? Also, has there been any attempt by EDL on a local level to engage with muslim communities? By that I mean actual organised meetings not shouting abuse at them in the street.
Well, any idiot can make stupid comments on Faceache, but Cameron, like Blair and Brown appease the Islamists out of fear.
You only have to look at Tower Hamlets to see the future. Bit by bit they have taken over and as they have the violence has increased.
The teacher beaten half to death, Gay people driven out, their pub attacked and some poor sod is now paraplegic. Women given death threats, shari'h courts deciding inheritance, child custody and what they try to call minor criminal cases.
You think that they have no influence, try publishing a book that criticises Islam. What about female GM, why no prosecutions, despite the fact that it goes on a lot.
Why, when Anne Cryer said 10 years ago that non Muslim children were being targeted by Muslim gangs was nothing done.
These things are far, far more important than some one job, go and get another one.
Arthur.
Lol what? Have you heard of the Conservative party before? Not exactly bezzie mates with immigrants.
MellySingsDoom
Decimated by the shrapnel of his rhetoric
Let me, if I may, throw a couple of questions out there?
1. Which member of the EDL joined the not-fascist-at-all-no-guv British National Party in 2004 on a "family" membership, and was snapped at a BNP meeting in Lution in 2007 listening to Richard "Holocaust News" Edmonds?
2. Which member of the EDL was an active supporter/participant in the Luton Town FC hooligan firm MIGS?
3. Which EDL-affiliated grouping (most famous on Facebook) have started openly collaborating with the Redwatch site, run by the head of the openly-fascist British People's Party?
4. Which organisation has a former admin of the EDL forum (and self-proclaimed proud member of the EDL) on the British Democracy Forum, who posts in the BNP sub-forum, making openly racist and homophobic postings?
5. Which founder member of the EDL was convicted and imprisoned not too long ago on possesion of class A substances and child pornography (hint: "Tommy Robinson" and Kevin Carroll started a Fighting Fund for them)?
6. Which Scottish Division of a certain organisation is made up of "virtually 100%" BNP members (not supporters, members)?
7. Which disaffected member of the EDL has started propagating the virulently anti-Semitic Protocols of the Elders of Zion as "fact"?
8. Which north-east division of a certain organisation was caught twice hooking up with the National Front on "actions"?
SpineyNorman
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I seem to remember the EDL leader gloating that Cameron was on your side. And I also seem to remember him pledging to side with the police against the students protesting for free education.
That you confuse the Labour party with the labour movement only serves to further illustrate your ignorance. Here's a news flash - Labour are no longer a party of the left, nor are they a party of the working class - they've shifted so far to the right as to be indestinguishable from the other lot.
You'll struggle to find a single Labourite (or swappy for that matter) on here.
Can you explain how "labour created the cuts" please?
Maybe "the left" (you seem to share that fuckwit treelover's belief that the left is a homogenous entity and that all those who identify as left must share the blame for everything stupid pseudo left wankers do) dismissed you as racists and fascists because the leadership has always contained BNP and NF activists. Do you want me to list them? Tommy Robinson (BNP) Chris Renton (BNP), plenty more. Then there's the mods on your forum, which included "Wigan" Mike Heaton, who is now in jail for death threats to Jews. Maybe the left had a problem with the "we hate pakis more than you" songs?
And I find it very hard to believe that a group that's "kicking its way into the headlines" gets beaten up by the effete sorts in the UAF/SWP. I also seem to remeber that it was the EDL who ran riot first in Stoke. In Brum it wasn't the left that gave you a deserved beating - it was locals.
Anyway, why do the EDL attack anti-cuts stalls? Ones that have nothing whatsoever to do with the SWP/UAF? You see, you cry when people lump you in with the BNP and NF, yet you do exactly the same (with far less justification) to us when you lump us in with the SWP, UAF and Labour.
You act as a distraction from the real fight - a fight against a government bent on destroying all those things you claim to value.
SpineyNorman
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You're fucking batshit insane.
At the end she sort of refers to us, but her message to us was no way.
This today from our leicester division,
At our last small demonstration in Leicester city centre i was asked how id feel about meeting up with a "very very moderate muslim". As one who never likes to miss an opportunity to further our cause i agreed. i mean if nothing else was gained from it, it can not now be said we are not willing to talk to the muslim community or that we care not for the feelings of moderate muslims.Anyway after saying that i would obviously respect his faith and meet anywhere, when i was aked if id want to meet in a pub, i waited for the call. the meeting place was set and the call came through, to my surprise it was to be in a small backstreet pub in the city centre at 3 pm friday afternoon!! the participants being myself,an inspector from Leicestershire costabulary and Suleman Nagdi MBE.
The time came and i was sat waiting when they walked in, the inspector introduced me to Suleman who immediatley greeted me with a "right handed" hand shake!! Then we sat down for an informal 2 hr discussion on the pros and cons of both the Muslim community and the English Defence League. I was aware that Suleman supported some of our main aims as an organisation but was actually quite surprised as to how many of them exactly. Remember this meeting was not to make any decisions or formal agreements but merely to open up a dialogue and to see what if anything could be done to bring the moderates out in support of our history,heritage,culture, the EDL and most importantly our troops!!
As i have said we discussed issues for about 2 hrs! We covered everything from the obvious sex gangs,islamists,and hate preachers right through to changing verses of the quran so they can not be interpreted in such extreme ways!!Now unless this was was pure taqiyya and me being duped, what is clear is Suleman at least does support our troops,our way of life and our concerns. We discussed our own local islamists from the clocktower, dawuud mannion(ginger convert hate preacher) and his band of "brothers" and how the muslim community saw one of his protests off from near spinney hill park, and how the islamic standard blog(dawuuds) is full of hate both for the British and the moderate muslim community.
we agreed on all of those matters and agreed that people like dawuud must be stopped, but this was my cue to bring in a verse from the quran, you know the one the islamists always spout?one of the ones with the non-believers?
Qur’an 2:191-2-"Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kill them. Such is the reward of disbelievers."
with this i found myself being told about interpretation and how this was only said to be true in war time and in a conflict zone if you like! well my reponse was that the islamists out there are in a "war", their jihad, they firmly believe they are fighting their jihad against the west! and therefore, to them, that verse is being interpreted in exactly the same way! only it can be brought into play as jihad is global and so then is their "war zone"!. we had to agree that this was the case and that these "nutters" do frimly believe they are interpreting this correctly! this led me to say that this is where the quran itself needs to change in these aspects, so that these nutters can not interpret the verses in this way.I appreciate that he will not be able to make these changes but at least hes heard it, its now upto him to convey this message to the muslim community.
with all of this middle ground established, the conversation went to talk of the muslim community standing with the EDL or at the very least understanding the EDL. there are no plans as yet for the Leicester division to be holding a joint march with them but hey who knows maybe one day!! Both myself and the inspector explained to Suleman that biased press and whipped up fear prior to the National demo in Leicester in october had led to us as a division being treated rather unfairly by the police and the muslim community.The inspector seemed happy to take over at this point and gave what can only be described as a glowing reference of not only the Leicester Division but the East Mids region,United Midlands divisions and anyone else who has been represented at our local organised and local flash demonstrations, dealt with by Leicestershire constabulary! At this point we tasked ourselves with finding a way of getting it out to the public that our cause is just! that not every muslim will agree with everything we say but that they have no reason to dismiss us or be scared of us or what we have to say! and that islamism must be stopped.
in conclusion, its clearer to me now that not every muslim will agree with all we have to say but there is definatley a middle ground to be found on most of it. And at least in the Leicester if nowhere else the ball is now clearly in the muslim communities court when it comes to publicly outing the islamists. Since the 9th october 2010 what we are finding here is that Leicestershire constabularies opinion of us has changed, the moderate muslim communities opinion is opening up to change and the general public support is rapidly growing. i was asked where i wanted this to go now and for now all ive suggested is some kind of acknowledgment publicly for both the English and Muslim communities wanting to speak! And that the English Defence League Leicester division were the first to try and build that bridge!!
Maybe just maybe the tide is turning, it certainly feels that way around here.
NO SURRENDER
SpineyNorman
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Do you honestly expect us to read that obvious c&p bollocks? You surrender to the old bill at every demo arthur, you know it as well as I do. You're Cameron's loyal opposition you daft scab cunt.
MellySingsDoom
Decimated by the shrapnel of his rhetoric
Seeing as I've visited Tower Hamlets on many occassions over the years, I'll deal with these:
1. The people convicted of violently assaulting the teacher are now spending a considerable amount of time at her Majesty's Pleasure. Any support from the local Tower Hamlets community for these violent wannabe Salafist eejits? Hmm, nope. None at all.
2. There is undeniably an issue with LGBTs in Tower Hamlets re intimidation, abuse etc, but I can tell you from personal experience, that in all the time I've spent in TH, I've had NO hassle from the Bangladeshi etc peeps whatsoever. From the glorious, tolerant "white" race? Hell yeah. Funny that, innit? Also: this may shock and/or awe you, but there gay Muslims out there in TH who haven't been "driven out" or what have you.
3. That pub has been attacked by just about every variety of homophobic eejit over the years - yeah, them white ones certainly like to have a go, funnily enough.
4. Do you feel the same empathy for the victims of David Copeland, pray tell? Or do you wish he could've successfully bombed Brick Lane and then Southhall (which was his next target)?
5. You think women receiving death threats is the exclusive domain of Bangladeshis etc in TH? What?
6. Shariah courts? Wrong. They do not "decide" anything to do with child custody and "minor criminal cases". Where did you get those facts? Jihadwatch? And anything to do with inheritance etc is negotiated in the courts, not decided on haughtily.
I'll lwt the other Urbanz on here to comment on the rest of your post - I need to go make a cup of tea, for starters.
Did you listen to the link I gave to Mariam Namazies speech, she'll tell you all about Shari'ah courts.
Arthur.
PS, I'm from Hackney, so I know TM well enough.
MellySingsDoom
Decimated by the shrapnel of his rhetoric
I was going to, until I realised this is the woman who wants the overthrow of "Christianity" in the UK too....you are aware of this, aren't you?
e2a: Since you're a Hackney man, would you care to comment on my answers to the points you raised?
SpineyNorman
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I quite like her to be honest - but unlike the EDL she also opposes the Jewish Beth Din courts and the Protestant ones in Scotland. Why don't you oppose those backward religious courts too Arthur? Is it 'cos they're not for brown people?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Hang on marayam is a brilliant brave committed communist who has repeatedly spat in the face of the edl and people like arthur when they have offered overtures.
hi all,
after many months of reading your posts i feel i have to say this..why do all the uaf and lefties not see the average man in the street is anti muslim,,have you been to theses inner city ghettos,or do you not venture out of cambridge.i am not racist,however i do feel my country is being held at knife point by the ever increasing muslim popullation,,wise up people and be proud to be english,our grandfathers fought for us, would they be proud of you..uaf..ask yourself that and be proud to be an englishman,,
after many months of reading your posts i feel i have to say this..why do all the uaf and lefties not see the average man in the street is anti muslim,,have you been to theses inner city ghettos,or do you not venture out of cambridge.i am not racist,however i do feel my country is being held at knife point by the ever increasing muslim popullation,,wise up people and be proud to be english,our grandfathers fought for us, would they be proud of you..uaf..ask yourself that and be proud to be an englishman,,
SpineyNorman
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So well you can't get the initials right. And Shariah courts in Britain can only rule on civil matters where everyone involved acknowledges the legitimacy of the court. I can't say I'm a fan either but it's nothing like what you're suggesting and it's nothing like Iran.
Hi Arthur.
MellySingsDoom
Decimated by the shrapnel of his rhetoric
^^^ We have a live one (again).
Define "English" - that would be a start. My "English" encompasses white, Black, Asian, Latin Americans etc etc - what about you?
e2a: aimed at "england"
Define "English" - that would be a start. My "English" encompasses white, Black, Asian, Latin Americans etc etc - what about you?
e2a: aimed at "england"
SpineyNorman
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LOL. My grandfather didn't fight for you, you scab prick. And who here is UAF?
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