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EDL attack Newscastle SWP meeting

no i didnt stumble on it i told my daughter about the train journey and she emailed me this site last night and i joined to see what was happenig why you so paranoid is everyone following you??

I shagged some bird last week then dumped her and her big and clever daddy is looking for me.
 
have you ever been in a fight, JHE?

Not for many years, Pup. I was never much of a 'street fighting man' (and nor of course are the bulk of Social Workers) and at my advanced age I find fights very easy to avoid. I go to those nice peaceful pubs that some people call 'old men's pubs' and avoid those loud nasty places full of young drunken idiots who have fights.
 
According to an AntiFa comrade there have now been 3 such meetings subjected to the attention of the nazi front EDL. The meetings will probably be listed on SW websites apart from anything else.
 
the tragedy is it's all there captured on film the fear and the failure of the left.

It was the swp leadership who right from the start screamed NAZIBNP at the edl making their case from a few facebook quotes and searchlight rumours.

But what we see on the video is not far right boneheads who need SMASHING but ordinary lads - who may drink in pubs, who may go to football on a saturday, who may have reactionary views when it come to immigration, or 'their' country - acting in fact like ordinary working class people the country over.

And the swp's repsonse is not to engage, but to walk away.

You fucking retard.

SWP/UAF do have to take some of the blame for building up and drawing attention to these wankers, the EDL are at best muppets who do not represent the majority of working class people - who may be critical of lots of current laws, migration, and Islam - but who also see the EDL for what they really are, hoolies out for a ruck and looking for some action, and just using politics as an excuse.
It certainly is crude to dismiss the EDL out of hand as a bunch of racistBNP thugs - but the majority of them do now appear to be racist as well as violent.
The SWP do have a problem relating to the working class, but this is not an example of this you daft cunt.
 
One observation and one question from a site noob

Observation - the public meeting was entitled 'who are the EDL and how do we stop them' and so if supporters of the EDL turn up why are people surprised. I have also watched the video (from a thread on indymedia) and 'attack' would seem a little inaccurate and akin to a headline in (spit) The Sun

Question - i know fuck all about politics but as a generalisation if you are a socialist does that not mean you also tend to have atheist views? and if so why are socialists trying to defend (as i see it) militant islam and by association sharia law. This is a genuine question so please no one liners with expletives .
 
Question - i know fuck all about politics but as a generalisation if you are a socialist does that not mean you also tend to have atheist views? and if so why are socialists trying to defend (as i see it) militant islam and by association sharia law. This is a genuine question so please no one liners with expletives .

I think they place higher priority on anti-fascism than they do oppression of the women and homosexuals, do swappies.

Now here's a question for you. How do you check that all of those Asian businesses you've been attacking are occupied by political Islamists?
 
And here's another couple: After turning up to demonstrate against the building of a mosque in Harrow we see images of Muslims kicking off on our TV screens.

1) What does opposing the building of a mosque have to do with opposing political Islam?

2) If you claim to hate the BNP so much, why are you doing their propaganda work for them?
 
One observation and one question from a site noob

Observation - the public meeting was entitled 'who are the EDL and how do we stop them' and so if supporters of the EDL turn up why are people surprised. I have also watched the video (from a thread on indymedia) and 'attack' would seem a little inaccurate and akin to a headline in (spit) The Sun

Question - i know fuck all about politics but as a generalisation if you are a socialist does that not mean you also tend to have atheist views? and if so why are socialists trying to defend (as i see it) militant islam and by association sharia law. This is a genuine question so please no one liners with expletives .

The defence of militant islam is a bit confusing. On one hand i can see why if a minority group is being targetted and scapegoated, good people will want to do what they can to stop it.
On the other i think some of the stuff the like of the SWP does is really negative and intellectually a bit lazy.
I think they have fallen into the trap of seeing people as muslims first humans second..Instead of standing up against what they see as Islamaphobes etc they should be standing up against all who want to treat some humans as second class.....And that inevitably means standing up against muslim extremists and misoyginists.
Its to the Lefts lasting shame that so few people have spoken out against so called "honour killings"

I also think most people in the edl should be the lefts natural constituency. It does the left no good whatsoever to lump them all in as fascists etc..
They may be nationalists or patriots etc but that is not neccersarily a good or bad thing. Chavez and Castro are nationalists and patriots too.
 
One observation and one question from a site noob

Observation - the public meeting was entitled 'who are the EDL and how do we stop them' and so if supporters of the EDL turn up why are people surprised. I have also watched the video (from a thread on indymedia) and 'attack' would seem a little inaccurate and akin to a headline in (spit) The Sun

Thanks for pointing that out. I didn't know that was the subject for this 'public meeting'. If someone held a public meeting called 'Who are the Social Workers Party and how do we stop them?', I'd think it fair enough for some Social Workers to go along to put their view.

In the case of the Social Workers' anti-EDL 'public' meeting, I have little doubt that part of the Social Workers' answer was going to be that they'd 'smash' the EDL by force. What they actually did, though, says more about the nature of the Social Workers Party than their silly violent-sounding slogans chanted safely from behind police lines. Their real response was, 'You smell and we're not talking to you! We're off! (Smash you another day!)'




The Social Workers' craven attitude to Islam and Islamism is based on a strange mixture of (i) inverted chauvinism and (ii) despair-fuelled opportunism.

(i) They, like their non-socialist allies in PC arsery, have convinced themselves that Islam is benign and that opposition to Sharia is racist. Like Ken Livingstone, they are pathetically 'in denial' about the disgustingly reactionary nature of Islamism.

(ii) They know - though they may not admit it publically - that their own political brand does not attract people and they've noticed that Islam mobilises many. The silly creatures think they can ride the Islamist tiger. That'll get them the support and power they want. They really are daft.
 
The defence of militant islam is a bit confusing. On one hand i can see why if a minority group is being targetted and scapegoated, good people will want to do what they can to stop it.
On the other i think some of the stuff the like of the SWP does is really negative and intellectually a bit lazy.
I think they have fallen into the trap of seeing people as muslims first humans second..Instead of standing up against what they see as Islamaphobes etc they should be standing up against all who want to treat some humans as second class.....And that inevitably means standing up against muslim extremists and misoyginists.
Its to the Lefts lasting shame that so few people have spoken out against so called "honour killings"

I also think most people in the edl should be the lefts natural constituency. It does the left no good whatsoever to lump them all in as fascists etc..
They may be nationalists or patriots etc but that is not neccersarily a good or bad thing. Chavez and Castro are nationalists and patriots too.

Good post chief.
 
One observation and one question from a site noob

Observation - the public meeting was entitled 'who are the EDL and how do we stop them' and so if supporters of the EDL turn up why are people surprised. I have also watched the video (from a thread on indymedia) and 'attack' would seem a little inaccurate and akin to a headline in (spit) The Sun

Question - i know fuck all about politics but as a generalisation if you are a socialist does that not mean you also tend to have atheist views? and if so why are socialists trying to defend (as i see it) militant islam and by association sharia law. This is a genuine question so please no one liners with expletives .

it was a branch meeting, although publicly advertised.
 
That's not what treelover said . The article is great pulp journalism and I bet the boys loved dressing up for the photo shoot.

Even though we've got suspected edl turning up here defending it? :facepalm:

Edit: ah right - you're not disputing it was the edl but that the photo was 'staged'...?
 
Which picture this one in the DailyMail which actually says 'appears intimidated' even thought there was a journalist and a photographer on the train who didn't interview the woman to ask if she was or had been intimidated?

But at the end of the day its hardly jumping the gun to assume that a muslim woman, whether or not this picture was staged, would be intimidated by blokes in balaclavas from a group who hold up placards saying "no more mosques" and have members who have been involved in rioting through muslim areas. It would be far more of a surprise if they weren't. It's also hardly jumping the gun to say that the EDL would be intimidating for muslims generally.

Also why is there all this crap on here about the EDL being representative of the white working class? If that's what people think no wonder the left is in the state they are in. They are a couple of thousand muppets, who don't represent anyone but themselves. The people who think they do represent the working class in this country obviously have a very patronising and removed view of the working class.
 
One_Stop_Shop said:
Also why is there all this crap on here about the EDL being representative of the white working class? If that's what people think no wonder the left is in the state they are in. They are a couple of thousand muppets, who don't represent anyone but themselves. The people who think they do represent the working class in this country obviously have a very patronising and removed view of the working class.

Representative of the white working class my arse. They're just football hooligans trying to drag us back to the 70s and justify a new era of paki bashing. It was ever thus.
 
Also why is there all this crap on here about the EDL being representative of the white working class? If that's what people think no wonder the left is in the state they are in. They are a couple of thousand muppets, who don't represent anyone but themselves. The people who think they do represent the working class in this country obviously have a very patronising and removed view of the working class.

Who has said the edl are representative of the working class? What is that supposed to mean anyway? It just sounds like Liberal leftie speak.
I think most edl members are probably working class but that doesnt mean i think they represent the working class in this country. They might like too but i dont think they do any more than i think the Middle class liberal left do....
But its also stupid in the extreme not to engage in political debate with them when and where they are williing to talk.
 
left and right who want them to be some expression of white working class consciousness have said it. Fact is they are just a bunch of sad sack hoolies who hate 'the fucking muslims'
 
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