EDL attack Newscastle SWP meeting

[Paulie Tandoori]

This is why I still have respect for Galloway despite having been done with his party. He's able to voice a distinction between progressive and reactionary Islamism that UAF/SWP would never even acknowledge.

galloway is a cunt. get over yourself.

 

[JHE]

no it was definitely advertised as 'Who are the EDL and how can we stop them?'

That leaves the question of whether it was a public meeting.

The Social Workers are advertising public meetings with exactly that title, but that doesn't settle the question. There could be private meetings with the same title.

The main reason I took it to have been a public meeting is just that young Pup, who started this thread, described it as a public meeting. Pup is certainly not accurate about everything (far from it!), but he has no reason to say it was a public meeting if it was not.

If it was not a public meeting, it was at the very least a publicly advertised meeting on the subject of the EDL and run by a group that has put great effort and shoutiness into its threats to 'smash' the EDL.

 

[revlon]

it was on their website as a branch meeting.

 

[JHE]

OK, that's settled, then. It was a publicly advertised meeting on the subject of the EDL, but billed as a branch meeting, not billed as a public meeting.

 

[Geri]

I was at an SWP meeting once when it was attacked by fascists. There was a proper fight and everything, it was exciting.

 

[Citizen66]

I know many of the proper left like to guffaw about swappies but its Fucking embarrassing when you climb into bed with numpties in order to do it. It's as bad as the swappies climbing into bed with islamists.

 

[audiotech]

galloway is a cunt. get over yourself.

And you are?

 

[cantsin]

Then there's the EDL co-founder who writes in his biography about stabbing people and writing on walls in shit for "fun"?

Then there's this, which was posted on Lancaster Unity a while back:



It's not difficult to come to the conclusion that the EDL is a pathetic, pissed-up, happy-hour pinhead outfit, with a mass of contradictions.

except if you look at that little mob on the the video, they were organised,disciplined, sober and non violent - whilst looking v handy, as always.
having this lot turn up to left wing meetings, Swappie or not, is a worrying development imo.

 

[tbaldwin]

except if you look at that little mob on the the video, they were organised,disciplined, sober and non violent - whilst looking v handy, as always.
having this lot turn up to left wing meetings, Swappie or not, is a worrying development imo.

WHY?

 

[audiotech]

except if you look at that little mob on the the video, they were organised,disciplined, sober and non violent....

Allegedly, not according to another post on this thread?

Secondly, since when does sitting 20 of you at the back, filming a meeting and threatening people (which did happen) and also starting on people (which coincidentally the 'peaceful' EDL video doesn't show)?

Not dissimilar to these tactics:

George Galloway was set upon by a group of Muslim extremists while campaigning in East London this afternoon. Three men, believed to belong to the extreme sect Islam4UK, the latest name for Al-Muhajiroun, were arrested and subsequently charged with public order offences.

and

Galloway’s assistant Kevin Ovenden had his phone smashed in the incident and other supporters were abused and jostled.

Source.

 

[barney_pig]

what is the matter with trots and phones?

 

[Pickman's model]

what is the matter with trots and phones?

yeh. cos didn't something happen to weyman bennett's phone at the esf at ally pally in 2004?

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2004/10/299711.html

perhaps someone who was an eyewitness could throw some light on this event.

 

[audiotech]

what is the matter with trots and phones?

Ovenden's an ex-trot surely?

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

Dont want to start a new thread on the scum, but they are planning to disrupt the 2nd leaders mass debate:

http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=114274035260430&ref=ts

 

[chazegee]

They've added 'commies' to their shit list now. Look at their site. Although this could be as much to do with them being heckled by uaf everywhere they go.

That's the problem with the media being ran by "Commies", there's noone left to help design the EDL's website properly.

 

[JHE]

Dont want to start a new thread on the scum, but they are planning to disrupt the 2nd leaders mass debate:

http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=114274035260430&ref=ts

They say they want to make their voices heard, not that they want to disrupt the debate, but however you interpret their wishes, take their plans and Facebook announcements with a big pinch of salt. Neither EDL, nor the shouty 'smashers' of the Social Workers and the UAF are going to be tolerated if there is seen to be any danger to the three party leaders or to the TV show.

Heckling used to be an almost universally accepted part of public political meetings, but not now, I'm sorry to say. Nowadays, old men can get thrown out of the Labour Party conference for audibly dissenting.

I don't know how people get tickets and are allowed in to the leaders' debates, but the audience for the first one seemed painfully well-behaved. I see no reason to think it will be different for the next debate. The chances of many EDLers or their 'smashers' sneaking in are low.

 

[chilango]

Dont want to start a new thread on the scum, but they are planning to disrupt the 2nd leaders mass debate:

http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=114274035260430&ref=ts

Ooh! I see what you did there...

 

[butchersapron]

They say they want to make their voices heard, not that they want to disrupt the debate, but however you interpret their wishes, take their plans and Facebook announcements with a big pinch of salt. Neither EDL, nor the shouty 'smashers' of the Social Workers and the UAF are going to be tolerated if there is seen to be any danger to the three party leaders or to the TV show.

Heckling used to be an almost universally accepted part of public political meetings, but not now, I'm sorry to say. Nowadays, old men can get thrown out of the Labour Party conference for audibly dissenting.

I don't know how people get tickets and are allowed in to the leaders' debates, but the audience for the first one seemed painfully well-behaved. I see no reason to think it will be different for the next debate. The chances of many EDLers or their 'smashers' sneaking in are low.

It's just for a shout about outside the arnolfini and a bit of push and shove i expect.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

Ooh! I see what you did there...

I work hard at this stuff chillers. You decided between TUSC, RESPECT, Greens and the Pirates yet? All that choice could really mash your head.

 

[fiannanahalba]

Dont want to start a new thread on the scum, but they are planning to disrupt the 2nd leaders mass debate:

http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=114274035260430&ref=ts

Anyone attacking the second leaders mass debate is a wanker.

 

[chilango]

I work hard at this stuff chillers. You decided between TUSC, RESPECT, Greens and the Pirates yet? All that choice could really mash your head.

Oh. I've decided. Still waiting for someone to convince me otherwise though.

 

[Citizen66]

Anyone attacking the second leaders mass debate is a wanker.

Shouldn't that be all those involved in mass debating are wankers?

 

[fiannanahalba]

Well yes they are wankers alongside those who would attack the mass debating - 9 miilion viewers is a healthy sign that political mass debating is growing.

 

[veltins]

9 million mass debating............ thats gonna get messy

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

The Newcastle EDL have just been having a big old piss up at Linekers in Toon, I'd say around 200, including various hangers on, a couple of little local firms (Wallsend Mags etc) and some NF types, though most of the NFs were hiding in a pub round the corner from what I could see.

 

[treelover]

How many were actual EDL though, they are rather an amorphous lot where casuals bleed into the activists, etc.

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

How many were actual EDL though, they are rather an amorphous lot where casuals bleed into the activists, etc.

I spoke to some of the lads there, it was a real mixture. At this sort of event the EDL are a bit like the SWP, succesful at shoving their branding to the forefront.

Most in my opinion were however sympathetic to the EDL at the very least. I'm not making a moral or political judgment here, merely stating what I saw and heard.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

Manchester saw some common sense by the council, police and business today. The usual nice pubs where the wankers hang out had their public open spaces closed for the day. The council put on a St Georges Day thingie in front of the town hall on the lines of the German Christmas markets or St Patricks Day. This pulled the rug from the whinging tossers who always say "ST GEORGES DAY IS IGNORED!!11!!!. MUMMY MUMMY SOMEONE STOLE MY COUNTRY!!". Town was still full of drunken swaggering thickos but it wasnt nearly as co-ordinated as it might have been.

 

[free spirit]

The Newcastle EDL have just been having a big old piss up at Linekers in Toon, I'd say around 200, including various hangers on, a couple of little local firms (Wallsend Mags etc) and some NF types, though most of the NFs were hiding in a pub round the corner from what I could see.

at the same time, from what I hear, monument had been taken over for a legit multicultural st georges day mini festival organised by anti-racist types to prevent a repeat of last year when a load of racist pricks (probably the same ones who were in Linekers) had apparently spent the day getting pissed up and abusing foreign looking folk at monument.

I'm getting this 2nd hand mind.

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

at the same time, from what I hear, monument had been taken over for a legit multicultural st georges day mini festival organised by anti-racist types to prevent a repeat of last year when a load of racist pricks (probably the same ones who were in Linekers) had apparently spent the day getting pissed up and abusing foreign looking folk at monument.

I'm getting this 2nd hand mind.

No, you're right. I think it was Newcastle Antifa (and independent group, not affiliated nationally as far as I know) who organised it, and the SWP and various others were in attendence, it probably had slightly fewer people than the thing at Linnekars, but not by much. They had flags from all the countries and regions that have St George, it was quite cool to be fair.