One_Stop_Shop
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Haven't got a clue what class they are, not really that bothered either, they are a bunch of mugs.
You can waste your time speaking to these fuckwits but most people have got better things to do.
EDL attack Newscastle SWP meeting
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Haven't got a clue what class they are, not really that bothered either, they are a bunch of mugs.
You can waste your time speaking to these fuckwits but most people have got better things to do.
Yeah maybe most people do have better things to do....but given that your spending time posting about them...maybe you are more interested in them than you say....
The idea that you should dismiss them as mugs or fuckwits seems just plain lazy to me.
The Liberal Left seems to want to write most people off which just goes to show me just how unsocialist they are.
i didn't say they represent the working class, others jumped to that conclusion. In fact i agree on the night they were 'representing' the edl.
This doesn't diminish the fact edl is a genuine social and cultural phenomenon. And an overwhelmingly working class one at that.
Reactionary certainly, contradictory undoubtedly, and divisive without question, but it is neither fascist or nazi. In fact it seems the genuine nazis and fascists within their ranks are being kept firmly in place (and have little or no political sway judging by the fact they are reduced to sounding off on their personal facebook accounts), and it isn't fascists who are disrupting the meetings.
One_Stop_Shop
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Haven't got any time for the liberal left or the other left alternatives either, almost universally useless. But a few posts on a web board about the EDL doesn't really mean that much, does it.
I wouldn't write most people off, but the couple of thousand mugs in the EDL I would. They've got nothing to say about anything, other than some confused ramblings about muslims and having a go a marxist trade unions.
Bit touchy aren't you, I didn't mention you did I?
Get over yourself, genuine social and cultural phenomenon
No-one on here has a clue what class the people who turn up to EDL demos are, unless you have a totally patronising and stereotypical view of what the working class are. But at the end of the day even if most of them are then who gives a fuck. They aren't a phenomenon, they are a tiny bunch of idiots with the BNP trying to make hay out of it.
Haven't got any time for the liberal left or the other left alternatives either, almost universally useless. But a few posts on a web board about the EDL doesn't really mean that much, does it.
I wouldn't write most people off, but the couple of thousand mugs in the EDL I would. They've got nothing to say about anything, other than some confused ramblings about muslims and having a go a marxist trade unions.
Bit touchy aren't you, I didn't mention you did I?
Get over yourself, genuine social and cultural phenomenon
No-one on here has a clue what class the people who turn up to EDL demos are, unless you have a totally patronising and stereotypical view of what the working class are. But at the end of the day even if most of them are then who gives a fuck. They aren't a phenomenon, they are a tiny bunch of idiots with the BNP trying to make hay out of it.
no not you personally mate you didn't. Why don't you think they are a social and cultural phenomenon?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
he doesn't know what the p word means.
A spray that he uses (unsuccessfully) to attract women?
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One_Stop_Shop
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Because I think that they are a total irrelevance and very unlikely to be more than that.
Pheromone is dandy but rohypnol is quicker...
Oh really? Declaring Islamists as personas non grata (yet it appears to extend to all Muslims) followed by declaring 'communists' the same after a period of time...
Ring any bells?
certainly not any recognisble history i know of
Thanks for the responses bit hard to respond to all but..................
i wouldn't label myself as anything really, i have views on things that i suppose would cover most of the middlish spectrum of politics and would oppose any extremes. fascism and communism are just different sides of the same coin to me and both need to be kept of this countries politics.. However if the question was on militant islam and sharia, and i had to run around now. i would agree with the EDL stance.
As for the photo on the train i dont think it matters if that lady is a muslim or not i think any women and probably quite a few men if their honest would feel intimidated by that. I wouldn't want it to happen to my wife so why would i want it to happen to anyone elses.
As for all this talk about 'white working class' i just dont get it. I found this site as part of trying to get a broader perspective on all of this and if i stick to sites that would be more my 'comfort zone' then i will never have the chance to have a proper discussion. One thing i can definitely say though is in all the chats i have had on line and in person no one has ever mentioned this 'working class struggle' thing, its just not ever mentioned.
As for the BNP stuff all the lads i know would agree with u lot on here that this 'white only membership' shit is bollox and the colour of someones skin, funnily enough seems to be less of an issue or talking point to me/them then it appears to be with the left where it always seem to be the default. If you watch the video of the newcastle meeting you will see the swp lad stood outside the door looking clueless about what to say and its all quite calm until the end when the best he can utter is ' u r all racists' and the reaction he then gets to that comment.
As for the comment about mosques personally i have a bit of a dilemma. Although i do not follow any faith myself and wish to live in a secular democracy i do believe that people should be free to follow whichever faith they choose without fear. However mosques are you used to recruit and radicalsie young muslim men and women and so until the point where these mosques become transparent in there activities I do believe no more should be built as they have become a symbol to me of the alienation not integration of those who wish to follow the muslim faith
i wouldn't label myself as anything really, i have views on things that i suppose would cover most of the middlish spectrum of politics and would oppose any extremes. fascism and communism are just different sides of the same coin to me and both need to be kept of this countries politics.. However if the question was on militant islam and sharia, and i had to run around now. i would agree with the EDL stance.
As for the photo on the train i dont think it matters if that lady is a muslim or not i think any women and probably quite a few men if their honest would feel intimidated by that. I wouldn't want it to happen to my wife so why would i want it to happen to anyone elses.
As for all this talk about 'white working class' i just dont get it. I found this site as part of trying to get a broader perspective on all of this and if i stick to sites that would be more my 'comfort zone' then i will never have the chance to have a proper discussion. One thing i can definitely say though is in all the chats i have had on line and in person no one has ever mentioned this 'working class struggle' thing, its just not ever mentioned.
As for the BNP stuff all the lads i know would agree with u lot on here that this 'white only membership' shit is bollox and the colour of someones skin, funnily enough seems to be less of an issue or talking point to me/them then it appears to be with the left where it always seem to be the default. If you watch the video of the newcastle meeting you will see the swp lad stood outside the door looking clueless about what to say and its all quite calm until the end when the best he can utter is ' u r all racists' and the reaction he then gets to that comment.
As for the comment about mosques personally i have a bit of a dilemma. Although i do not follow any faith myself and wish to live in a secular democracy i do believe that people should be free to follow whichever faith they choose without fear. However mosques are you used to recruit and radicalsie young muslim men and women and so until the point where these mosques become transparent in there activities I do believe no more should be built as they have become a symbol to me of the alienation not integration of those who wish to follow the muslim faith
Of course not.
go on them mate tell us about the history of fascism and islam, love to know you take on the nazis relationship to muslims.
There are parts of sharia law that i like, such as capital punishment and chopping off hands.
Are you really that thick?
The particular group of people that became persona non grata isn't the issue. It's the process of singling out one group followed by another and declaring them the enemy is where the echoes of 1930s Germany lie.
And I'm not stating that they're a politcal group. Just that they've followed that same train of thought.
no historical relationship between fascism/nazism and the opposition to islam/muslims then. Cleared up.
I'm starting to doubt your ability to read.
definite change of events there: muslims followed by communists, rings no bells
Although throw in a charlie chaplin film and we've hit the fucking jackpot
So it was the Jews in 1930s Germany. What of it?
First off, not a public meeting. It was a depleted branch meeting on the media.
Secondly, since when does sitting 20 of you at the back, filming a meeting and threatening people (which did happen) and also starting on people (which coincidentally the 'peaceful' EDL video doesn't show)?
Stop being a cock and stop revelling in racist thugs disrupting left wing meetings.
Bring back the squads!
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
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Starry Wisdom
right. so anyone who can tell the difference between jihadi loons and peaceable moslems deserves respect.
Das Uberdog
remembers the alamo
pun intended?
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Starry Wisdom
disband the ruc
no it was definitely advertised as 'Who are the EDL and how can we stop them?'
