Greenwashing and sportswashing are both problems. But objecting to the deaths of thousands of migrant slave workers that died to build the very stadiums the games will be played in is not an objection based on sportswashing. Fuck, what’s next? The Running Man for real?
Drawing the line (Qatar)
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moochedit
I'm not feeding seagulls
There is no moral dilemma for me as i'm not into football (although i'm sometimes forced to put it on when a football loving mate visits cos of the whinging i'd get otherwise).
Elpenor
Dancing as fast as I can
Just report on the football please, is the message from the Qatari organisers
www.theguardian.com
Qatar World Cup accused of imposing ‘chilling’ restrictions on media
Conditions restrict where international broadcasters, including BBC and ITV, are permitted to film
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HaveMyPassword123
Kier Starmer has stated he is going to protest against the regime by only watching it from his sofa rather than going there in person.
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Books, not bombs
It's a country that just keeps on taking!
both horrible and foul stories...........
www.hrw.org
I hear Starmer has declared he will not be attending and that some England fans also because of travel difficulties.
On the other hand, I see the wags are going out there on a spending spree and to watch 10 year old boys from other countries, strapped to camels trying to race them.
both horrible and foul stories...........
Qatar: Security Forces Arrest, Abuse LGBT People
Qatar Preventive Security Department forces have arbitrarily arrested lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) people and subjected them to ill-treatment in detention, Human Rights Watch said today. LGBT people interviewed said that their mistreatment took place as recently as September...
How an abandoned baby led to strip-searches in Qatar
British and Australian women speak out about their trauma following invasive medical examinations by Qatari officials in 2020.
www.bbc.co.uk
I hear Starmer has declared he will not be attending and that some England fans also because of travel difficulties.
On the other hand, I see the wags are going out there on a spending spree and to watch 10 year old boys from other countries, strapped to camels trying to race them.
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
Mark Drakeford is going
A Welsh government spokesperson said:
“We believe that it is better to engage with countries that do not always share our values on human rights, LGBTQ+ rights, workers’ rights and political and religious freedom. Engaging with countries provides an opportunity to develop a platform for further discussion, to raise awareness and to potentially influence a change in approach.”
I’m looking forward to learn how he plans to engage with the Emir on those issues and seeing what progress he makes.
www.walesonline.co.uk
A Welsh government spokesperson said:
“We believe that it is better to engage with countries that do not always share our values on human rights, LGBTQ+ rights, workers’ rights and political and religious freedom. Engaging with countries provides an opportunity to develop a platform for further discussion, to raise awareness and to potentially influence a change in approach.”
I’m looking forward to learn how he plans to engage with the Emir on those issues and seeing what progress he makes.
Drakeford to break Labour Party boycott of Qatar and go to World Cup
First Minister Mark Drakeford and two Welsh Government cabinet members will travel to Qatar to support Wales at the World Cup
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
Will you be watching?
1927
Funnier than he thinks he is.
Disgraceful decision.Mark Drakeford is going
A Welsh government spokesperson said:
“We believe that it is better to engage with countries that do not always share our values on human rights, LGBTQ+ rights, workers’ rights and political and religious freedom. Engaging with countries provides an opportunity to develop a platform for further discussion, to raise awareness and to potentially influence a change in approach.”
I’m looking forward to learn how he plans to engage with the Emir on those issues and seeing what progress he makes.
Drakeford to break Labour Party boycott of Qatar and go to World Cup
First Minister Mark Drakeford and two Welsh Government cabinet members will travel to Qatar to support Wales at the World Cup
RainbowTown
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Gay rights campaigner Peter Tatchell is stopped by police in Qatar
Tatchell, 70, staged his one-man protest outside the National Museum of Qatar in Doha on Tuesday, with pictures showing him holding a placard supporting Qatari LGBT people.
Peter Tatchell ‘arrested in Qatar while protesting against LGBT rights record’ | ITV News
The human rights activist was detained near the national museum in Doha as he staged a demonstration against “one of the most homophobic regimes on Earth”. | ITV News London
www.itv.com
I may disagree with him on some issues, yes, but total solidarity with him on this one.
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hiraethified
It's one of my life's dreams to watch Wales play in World Cup. I would have travelled vast distances and burnt through my savings to watch them on the world's stage for the one time in my long life.
But I won't be travelling to Qatar. And of course I'll fucking watch them play on whatever Freeview platform is available.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
Gay rights campaigner Peter Tatchell is stopped by police in Qatar
Tatchell, 70, staged his one-man protest outside the National Museum of Qatar in Doha on Tuesday, with pictures showing him holding a placard supporting Qatari LGBT people.www.dailymail.co.uk
Peter Tatchell ‘arrested in Qatar while protesting against LGBT rights record’ | ITV News
The human rights activist was detained near the national museum in Doha as he staged a demonstration against “one of the most homophobic regimes on Earth”. | ITV News London
I may disagree with him on some issues, yes, but total solidarity with him on this one.
Massive respect for that guy.
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hiraethified
Just report on the football please, is the message from the Qatari organisers
Qatar World Cup accused of imposing ‘chilling’ restrictions on media
Conditions restrict where international broadcasters, including BBC and ITV, are permitted to film
It's beyond a joke:
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Can I ask why? That's not an antagonistic question, I'm just interested how you square that with what you've said. And really I'm asking because I'm facing the same dilemma about watching England, whether it's possible to 'just' watch the football.
Edit: where I'm at currently is that I won't watch it, but I suspect I might weaken. If I do I'll feel very yucky.
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hiraethified
Hate the country. Hate the football authorities. Love the game. Wales haven't qualified for the World Cup since 1958. Not once. Ever. This is most likely a once in a lifetime thing for me and - most likely - they won't be in it for long. So I shall cheer them on whilst loathing Qatar.
And as I said, if it had been just about anywhere else, it would have made a holiday of a lifetime with all my family. Instead, it's the sofa. On my own.
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
Another politician on a freebie.Mark Drakeford is going
A Welsh government spokesperson said:
“We believe that it is better to engage with countries that do not always share our values on human rights, LGBTQ+ rights, workers’ rights and political and religious freedom. Engaging with countries provides an opportunity to develop a platform for further discussion, to raise awareness and to potentially influence a change in approach.”
I’m looking forward to learn how he plans to engage with the Emir on those issues and seeing what progress he makes.
Drakeford to break Labour Party boycott of Qatar and go to World Cup
First Minister Mark Drakeford and two Welsh Government cabinet members will travel to Qatar to support Wales at the World Cup
8ball
Decolonise colons!
I don't know much about Drakeford, except that my Dad hates him with a fury.
Which makes me think he can't be all bad, but this is not an encouraging sign.
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
It's an easy stick to beat football fans or yourself with isn't it? And people like beating up football fans and themselves.
Look at you, you fascist, watching the culmination of a tournament you've watched your whole life.
Tbf, football fans need to remind themselves it's not your fucking game, it never has been and it never will be. And the greatest image of this is forever preserved from when Blatter pulled out 'Qatar'. Our game? Really?
I can understand kabbes position. Fair play etc. But for me there's plenty in the world I can't stomach that might stop me doing all sorts of things if I were inclined that way. I think some other people are a bit more moral high ground, while probably not doing one other single thing in their lives to either protest against Qatar or raise awareness or what not. It's just a stick.
I'm comfortable Qatar is not my fault. I'm comfortable with what I've done and continue to do in my life to fight and protest injustice and wrong. I know which side I'm on. Watching a bit of telly, or not watching a bit of telly, alters nothing.
Look at you, you fascist, watching the culmination of a tournament you've watched your whole life.
Tbf, football fans need to remind themselves it's not your fucking game, it never has been and it never will be. And the greatest image of this is forever preserved from when Blatter pulled out 'Qatar'. Our game? Really?
I can understand kabbes position. Fair play etc. But for me there's plenty in the world I can't stomach that might stop me doing all sorts of things if I were inclined that way. I think some other people are a bit more moral high ground, while probably not doing one other single thing in their lives to either protest against Qatar or raise awareness or what not. It's just a stick.
I'm comfortable Qatar is not my fault. I'm comfortable with what I've done and continue to do in my life to fight and protest injustice and wrong. I know which side I'm on. Watching a bit of telly, or not watching a bit of telly, alters nothing.
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yep, thatIf you can enjoy the match despite knowing the literal institutional murder that was enacted to build the stadium it is being played in then I see no harm in watching it. It’s not like refusing to watch it will make any difference. I just wouldn’t be able to enjoy it, any more than a vegetarian would enjoy eating a bacon sandwich. No matter goes delicious the sandwich, no matter how little difference refusing it will make, if you won’t enjoy it then what’s the point?
8ball
Decolonise colons!
It is, but not intentionally so. It’s just literally the contingency that forms the necessary condition for watching it.Beautifully passive-aggressive phrasing.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
Well, almost. See post #3 for counter point.
Yes, I guess you can decide to watch it and not enjoy it. Well done.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
Such are the dangers of skipping important steps in your calculations.
I also choose not to watch entertainment events I won’t enjoy. There, happy?
8ball
Decolonise colons!
A full if-then table laying out the potential permutations would have cleared up potential ambiguity, but in this case I accept your abridged reasoning.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Thanks for the reply and I do get the 'once in a lifetime dilemma' thing.
For me, it reduces itself down to an emotional thing. If I do no more than watch the games on freeview channel, which I think the games are all on, I'm doing nothing worse than adding to the viewing figures. It's just how yucky I would (and possibly will) feel.
Maybe the way to go is some kind of medieval style set of church indulgences, every time I watch a match, bung a few quid to migrant workers campaigns. There, guilt assuaged and I can now get on with watching England going out in the round of 32 (or whatever round it is coming after the group stage).
