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Drawing the line (Qatar)

rubbershoes said:
Qatar is largely sunni so I guess the Qatari government will be enjoying Iran's upheaval.
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They may not as Qatar were buddying up to Iran until relatively recently around accusations of their supporting terror and the spat with Saudi Arabia. This still may be the case but I haven't been paying much attention lately.
 
CNT36 said:
They may not as Qatar were buddying up to Iran until relatively recently around accusations of their supporting terror and the spat with Saudi Arabia. This still may be the case but I haven't been paying much attention lately.
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It's inevitably more complicated than I thought. I assumed the smaller countries just lined up behind Iran or Saudi depending upon which branch of Islam they followed
 
I'll do what I always do before a WC/Euros, call it bullshit, only fit for jingoistic nationalists, where the football will be dull, England will be shit, and it'll be run by apologists who have sold the lives of thousands in name of 'football'.

Then I'll probably see someone score a screamer (probably Germany) and by the 3rd round be telling everyone that actually 'Harry Maguire seems like a top bloke and is just underused at United'.
 
Are any normal people actually going to go though?

Badly worded, am knackered, hope ykwim. Just doesn't seem like a destination people will go for. Edit: I guess I'm assuming it's expensive.
 
It would be a truly cruel abuse of human rights to subject the Qatar people to the England band.
 
Rebelda said:
Are any normal people actually going to go though?

Badly worded, am knackered, hope ykwim. Just doesn't seem like a destination people will go for. Edit: I guess I'm assuming it's expensive.
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Packages available for 13 nighs, 4 matches and economy travel from £4,060 selling out fast
 
spellbinder said:
Packages available for 13 nighs, 4 matches and economy travel from £4,060 selling out fast
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Considering what I’m paying for 2 nights hotel and 2 matches in Marseilles (with no travel included) then that seems a good deal - assuming I liked football
 
Elpenor said:
Considering what I’m paying for 2 nights hotel and 2 matches in Marseilles (with no travel included) then that seems a good deal - assuming I liked football
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The price does say FROM £4,060 - probably equates to being stuck in a non airconditioned muggy gaff, sweating like a bollock and eating camels eye balls and foreskins for that price.
 
sleaterkinney said:
I will watch it, watched Russia last time, football is a bit of a cesspit anyway.
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I think I might have held my nose if it was 'just' sportswash for a gruesome regime. But adding in all the migrant workers who have died and the conditions the rest had to endure, nah. Having said that, a few games in, I might weaken. :( Presume all the matches are free to air? Edit - yes, they are.
 
tonysingh said:
Tbf because of the blatant corruption, the deaths of slave workers and the countries appalling human rights record,
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The thread is about where do you draw the line and its an interesting question - we live on a hell hole planet and anything involving states and big money is always deeply toxic.
Even in recent times rogue state Britain has killed way more innocent people than Qatar ever has and top level football corruption is nothing new or special in this World Cup. Construction workers being worked to death are the main unique factor here though looking at the UK blacklisting scandal for UK construction workers - blacklisting most often based on health and safety campaigners - shows we aren't a million miles ahead on that front either.

Inevitably once the nights draw in and the sofa beckons I'll be sucked in . Its an ugly spectacle but thats modern football.

"The first Muslim country to hold a World Cup" though is a good thing if on balance it chips away at a layer of Islamaphobia and generally makes the world a smaller place
 
platinumsage said:
Interesting to see that football matches are still more important than anything else for some people. Some hilarious justifications going around. I’m watching it for the Muslims lol that’s a good one.
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It's a classic All That's Solid Melts bit of globalisation
 
I don't think Qatar will give too much of a fuck about a few drunken football fans. They will turn a blind eye to slightly outrageous behaviour, and use it to show how they've modernised and how liberal they are now. They don't want to be internationally shamed or even cause a diplomatic row.
Once the WC is over things will go back to how they were, esp for Qataris and the muslim working class.
 
Noticed on the social medias that a lot of folk are criticising Neville, Beckham , etc for coining it in for the World Cup - and tbf , they are (Beckham particularly) and the criticism from who I would describe as GB News folk seems to centre on the two of them and other "woke" footballers defending and promoting LGBT+ rights and issues over here, yet are prepared to go to Qatar where those rights are non-existent. Now these folk have a point. But, the same folk will also criticise the same folk for promoting "woke" stuff over here - and slag them off as virtue signalling. Saw a bizarre clip of well-known LGBT ally, Jim Davidson criticising Neville, et al for working in Qatar.
 
On the negative side, it’s not a football country with no hope of growing the game there. It’s too hot even at this time of year so that will affect the matches, and also there’s a massive environmental impact of creating and running these stadiums in the desert, some of which have air conditioning. Then you get onto the human rights issues, it’s sports washing by a repressive regime where homosexuality is illegal and they treat migrants as slaves.
 
ska invita said:
The thread is about where do you draw the line and its an interesting question - we live on a hell hole planet and anything involving states and big money is always deeply toxic.
Even in recent times rogue state Britain has killed way more innocent people than Qatar ever has and top level football corruption is nothing new or special in this World Cup. Construction workers being worked to death are the main unique factor here though looking at the UK blacklisting scandal for UK construction workers - blacklisting most often based on health and safety campaigners - shows we aren't a million miles ahead on that front either.

Inevitably once the nights draw in and the sofa beckons I'll be sucked in . Its an ugly spectacle but thats modern football.

"The first Muslim country to hold a World Cup" though is a good thing if on balance it chips away at a layer of Islamaphobia and generally makes the world a smaller place
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Given the relative size of populations - UK 67 million and, according to wiki:, 313,000 for Qatar (2.6 million if you include expatriates) - the deaths of 6500 construction workers on one (large) project is dramatic. There's no comparison to be made to the UK construction industry, aside from deaths in both country being about power and exploitation.
 
Sorry for slight side track; latest example of green washing
BBC News - British Cycling criticised after announcing Shell sponsorship and climate-aware initiatives
www.bbc.co.uk

British Cycling criticised over Shell sponsorship

British Cycling is accused of getting involved in "greenwashing" after announcing an eight-year sponsorship deal with oil giant Shell.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
 
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