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teuchter said:
What kind of financial hardship are we looking at, if they refuse to play in one world cup?
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For England players? No financial hardship at all, given the amounts they're paid, though it wouldn't be easy for someone whose whole career is geared towards playing on the international stage to give up the playing in what might be their only opportunity to play at a world cup. Financial and in terms of career achievements.

For the hundreds of players at the World Cup not playing in elite leagues, the financial hardship might be much greater of course.
 
strung out said:
Huge amounts of their incomes, not huge amounts of players.

This isn't a tale of woe in favour of the players, but plenty of endorsements, sponsorships etc. are worth significantly more for players playing on the international stage.
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How many players play in the premier League alone, forget lower leagues and how many of those players are regular internationals? I would suggest very few. How much of their wages come from playing for their country, again very little. There are quite a few utd players earn in excess of a basic £100,000 per week. On top there are bonuses for win, appearances, goals, attendances etc. Then there is shed loads of sponsorship and image rights they have. Please don't expect me to feel sorry for the majority of professional footballers.
 
Just because these footballers aren't all Tommie Smiths it doesn't immediately make them.all Graham Gooches. Pretty poor show if we're counting on footballers to be the vanguard in the fight against human rights abuses in the middle east.
 
hash tag said:
How many players play in the premier League alone, forget lower leagues and how many of those players are regular internationals? I would suggest very few. How much of their wages come from playing for their country, again very little. There are quite a few utd players earn in excess of a basic £100,000 per week. On top there are bonuses for win, appearances, goals, attendances etc. Then there is shed loads of sponsorship and image rights they have. Please don't expect me to feel sorry for the majority of professional footballers.
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Who's asking you to feel sorry for them?

Plenty of players at the World Cup won't be earning very much fwiw.
 
Players shouldn't have to boycott to make a point, although it would be a hell of a statement to make.

I'd still have huge respect for any player using press coverage to make a point.

"I'm here because the world cup is every player's ambition; to play for the national team, to play on the biggest stages. The world cup is the pinnacle of this sport, and I have the opportunity to do something that only comes around 3 or 4 times in a player's career.

I didn't choose to play it in Qatar. That is FIFA's decision, and they have responsibility for any praise coming their way if it goes well, but also for any criticism. So how dare they send this letter around ostensibly telling us what subjects are off the table. I'm not a representative of FIFA, I'm a human being horrified by Qatar's record on human rights, the criminal treatment of members of the LGBTQIA+ community, the wealth inequality, the appalling abuse and death of migrant workers, the unsuitability for a sporting event of this stature of a country with 40+ degree temperatures and the ensuing December tournament, and that fans will be quickly and universally decried for any trouble when it's an inevitability when millions are attending an event usually covering hundreds of thousands of square miles in an area the size of Sheffield/Leeds/Bradford.

Can I go and play some actual football now please?"
 
hash tag said:
On HIGNFY Gary Neville was called out for going as a commentator
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His defence was pretty non-existent too (oh the irony etc)

He couldn't even muster some whataboutery WRT the BBC sending pundits to the World Cup in Russia, Sochi Olympics, Beijing etc. and the importance of having a platform to speak out from. Which is the very least you'd expect, even if its a feeble excuse.
 
His best mate Beckham is officially employed by the Qataris as some sort of ambassador, isn't he?

One of the best things could be just before kick off in the final, instead of shaking hands the two captains (Bale and Kane) embrace and snog.
 
planetgeli said:
www.bbc.co.uk

World Cup 2022: Denmark to wear 'toned down' jerseys in protest at hosts Qatar

Denmark will wear "toned down" jerseys for the World Cup to protest against Qatar's human rights record and treatment of migrant workers.
www.bbc.co.uk

Good on them.
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Or not.

www.bbc.co.uk

World Cup 2022: Denmark has pro-human rights shirt request rejected by Fifa

Denmark's request for its players to be allowed to wear pro-human rights training shirts at the World Cup in Qatar has been rejected by Fifa.
www.bbc.co.uk

The Danish football federation (DBU) asked if its players could wear shirts with the words "Human Rights for All".
World football's governing body prohibits all political messages and has asked teams to "focus on football" following a controversial build-up.

The DBU disputes that it is a political message but accepted the decision.
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I was living in Russia during the world cup and I'm kinda torn on this because I do think it did have a positive impact, a lot of tourists came on cheap fan visas to what even in Moscow can be a really racist and conservative country, but at that point the Russian authorities really did seem to be on their best behaviour, and people came to watch from places like Ghana and Mexico, I think it was positive that Russian people got a chance to talk with them and vice versa. I think it kinda showed what the country COULD be like despite Putin's sports washing, and to an extent this alarmed the authorities and wasn't really what they'd intended.


With Qatar though I don't know, it seems like the authorities are not even trying to pretend it's a great open minded welcoming place like Putin did, it's so obvious it's all about money
 
All the discussion about whether players could/should make a last gasp protest, shows how many stages of obscenity we've gone through to get to this point (don't get me wrong, some kind of gesture by a team or individual player would still be fantastic). It's about fifa, an organisation built on corruption and enrichment and its tournaments being literally open to the highest bidder. It's about the gruesome multinational advertisers. It's about the construction companies who have worked their slaves to death. It's about bodies like the FA who trumpet diversity but still put a team in for this blood soaked spectacle of sportswash. And all the other flies on shit who thrive around these multi-million pound 'celebrations of sport'. And then there's people like me, typing this, who will still probably cave in and watch the fucking thing. :(
 
What's going to happen to all the stadiums once the tournament is over? I can't see the locals being particularly interested.
 
hash tag said:
What's going to happen to all the stadiums once the tournament is over? I can't see the locals being particularly interested.
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dohanews.co

What will happen to each stadium after the World Cup?

Loss-making stadiums with expensive yearly maintenance added to Russia's $10.8 billion World Cup price tag. Only eight of the 12 stadiums from 2018 are used for top-tier matches, with thousands of seats commonly empty.
dohanews.co dohanews.co
 
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