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Donald Trump, the road that might not lead to the White House!

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Well fuck the ice cream. Give me the free beer. Even Carling tastes good when it is cold and free. :cool:

You take your bottle/can and fuck off straight away, clearly.
 
Two problems with this post
1) there were posters who were enthusiastic Clinton supporters, so enthusiastic they called people who criticised her (from the left) racist

2) The only poster who I've seen that considered Trump the lesser of two evils, was CR, a racist loon. Have you got any other examples?

Stickit up your arse
 
Uh nope.

I cited exit poll stats showing that 62% of white men and 52% of white women voted for Trump while only 13% of Black men and 4% of Black women did. I said in my view, more than half of white women voting Trump showed their loyalty was to their white racial identity and privilege (i.e. by backing a candidate who made overtly racist statements and welcomed support of white supremacists,) over any solidarity with women over their shared gender identity. Surely no one would deny Clinton had both a track record of action and stood on a platform with policies promoting the welfare of women and children. Surely no one believes Trump had a stronger background of or advocated policies benefiting women and children. I know some Americans genuinely believe banning abortions and restricting contraception IS for the benefit of women and children, but I don't agree.

If there were any white American Trump voting women members here, okay, I could see they might think I was having a pop at them. I don't think I engaged with any members fitting that profile. However, there was plenty of huffing and puffing from folks almost any time I suggested that racism played a significant role in the outcome of the election.

I also stated my view that white supremacy is embedded in the foundations and fabric of the US as a nation, and that really seemed to get arms flailing here. I described my personal experience of it, cited a range of articles and even linked to one about my own fucking home town, but I was told I was being mean to working class people, it was all about class not race, it's a universal thing, and I didn't know jack shit.

And yes, I've pointed out that racism is a thing on both the right and left of politics, and that particularly when folks on the left talk about the working class, they are defacto talking about white people because most of the time, their descriptions reflect a white working class experience. That seemed to induce spasms of horror that I could suggest such a thing, and clearly my comments were taken very personally by some members. There were also suggestions that I'm not qualified to have an opinion here because I post pictures of kittens on the site, or because I don't fit into some neat ideological pigeon hole. I don't take crap like that personally. It's just silly.

As I said, I've never once said to another member, "You are a racist." I have suggested that if the shoe fits, it's your choice to wear it. No one's forcing it on your foot, for fuxake. :rolleyes:

The very demographic you..and your fellow jazz handing twats..are calling racist elected Obama for 2 terms . He changed nothing . He bailed out the banks with their taxes and let their jobs swan off to re the cheapest labour is . Trump got a bigger share of the black vote than Romney or Bush . he increased the black republican vote .
People are simply sick to the back teeth of neo liberalism . And sick to the back teeth of Clintons corruption and wars .
One thing I'm truly glad about is the trump victory has kicked not just Clinton into history's dustbin but the likes of you, Dunham etc . You identity politics lot are massive losers now . You just lost to that twat . To a joke . Identity politics is a losing formula. Politically toxic . Workers have an opportunity now, a shout . The more distance twats like you put between yourselves and workers the better. The more vitriol and hate you lot spew on workers the better ,You aren't the left. Your just a parasite on capitalisms back . An apologist for the entire system . The very type of twat who's all " occupy wall street " one minute, " vote for wall streets candidate " the next .
The cleaner the break " the left "...as in workers vs capital.. has with people like you the better . The bigger the chasm between workers and the likes of you lot the better . the more identity politics fuck wits fling these accusations the better because it widens the chasm and extricates people from this morass . Absolutely nowhere in your ( pl ) agenda is the relationship between worker and capital even mentioned . All that's advanced is the opportunity for a woman, a homosexual etc to join the ranks of the exploiting class and you'll tell us that's a fair society . If the bank that makes me homeless or closes my factory ...or the commander in cheif that bombs a country..is headed up by an Asian tranny in a wheelchair you think that's a fair society. But something politically incorrect drives you insane . Even gives people like you hives and psychosomatic sexual injuries . And total meltdowns .

Fuck off . This is insanity way worse than trump and an insult to our intelligence . But thankfully now a busted political flush .
 
Uh nope.

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As I said, I've never once said to another member, "You are a racist." I have suggested that if the shoe fits, it's your choice to wear it. No one's forcing it on your foot, for fuxake. :rolleyes:
Ugh yes.

The fact that your generally too much of a prick to make specific accusations doesn't mean that you haven't called people racist. You do it all the fucking time

For folk on the left, the root of all oppression is class, using the white, working class male as their model (e.g. statements about the "working class" supporting Brexit and Trump.)
Ah well, at least plenty examples round these parts to support the concept of Horseshoe Theory.
(In reply to ItWillNeverWork asking “Who are the 'many' apologists, CRI? Can you name them please?)Look around ya pal, there's plenty to be seen. You're welcome!

But in addition to that cuntary you made a specific accusation that J Ed was a racist.

Hey, but I seem to recall you don't believe institutional discrimination exists, except against white working class men, so naw, I can't be arsed to explain the thing about how being experienced and qualified and being from a minority group aren't mutually exclusive.

I'm not getting why you are needling about this, other than perhaps you believe that say there's a Black guy in management means there can never be any valid claims of racism cause that diversity box is tick. If so, well, no fucking clue mate.
An accusation that you never attempted to defend or apologise for.
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/03/o...ver-in-2017.html?smid=tw-nytopinion&smtyp=cur

Here’s a shocker: Death rates for middle-aged white Americans have been rising, even as they have been falling for their counterparts in almost every other developed country. The principal reasons are not disease, but suicides and drug and alcohol overdoses. In the same vein, while rich Americans have been living longer, the least well-off are experiencing shorter life spans. It’s not hard to understand how for many working-class people, the stresses of lost jobs and declining incomes have led to significant health problems and even death.
 
The Tooze piece is now on the LRB site:

ut we are not in the early Weimar Republic, nor are we living through the decline and fall of the Roman Empire. We have our own problems and they are bad enough. The shocks of the financial crisis, the Eurozone crisis, Ukraine and the refugee crisis go deep. The Trump presidency may unleash even worse: the Iran nuclear deal was one of the rare achievements of EU foreign policy. The rallying of nationalism across Europe is undeniable and dangerous. The prospect of a Le Pen victory in France is one of real menace. Is Streeck’s Gaullist manifesto for a Europe of the nations seriously intended to take the wind out of Le Pen’s sails? His polemics suggest as much, but there is nothing in his theoretical armoury that would allow him to elaborate the point. In Germany, the solidity of the checks and balances in its constitution and the sophistication of its democratic culture mean there is no real risk of a Trump, Le Pen, Brexit-style swerve to the right. How then could Streeck’s interventions make any difference?

Ahead of the German election in 2017 there are only two real options for the country: another coalition centred on Merkel, offering more of the same, or a novel ‘Red-Red-Green’ coalition of the SPD-Die Linke and the Greens. This has been a possibility since the 1990s and is the bugbear of all those determined to uphold the status quo inherited from West Germany. But if there is a political move that might break the roadblock in Germany and thus in Europe, ‘R2G’ is it. The history of the Cold War stands in its way, as do painful memories of Lafontaine’s split from the SPD and a fear on the part of the SPD and the Greens of losing bourgeois voters. If Die Linke, driven by its Lexit wing and concerned with the threat to its voter base in the East from the AfD, were to swerve onto the protectionist, anti-EU line that Streeck and others have been advancing since 2013, it would be hugely counterproductive. It is here, operating within the delicate politics of a Red-Red-Green coalition, that Streeck’s intellectual authority and relentless advocacy of the Lexit position could do real damage. The result to be feared is not a new dark age, or the imminent collapse of capitalist democracy, the Eurozone or the EU, but merely the depressing continuation of both Europe and Germany’s failure to live up to their potential, the continued foreclosure of the ‘presumably possible’.
 
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