Donald Trump, the road that might not lead to the White House!

[butchersapron]

It's now against the law to close it. He'd have to overturn that law in the next week and half. Which ain't going to happen.

I believe passing that law was one of the prices lord Obama ended up paying to get his civilian killing drone program and beefed up military plans passed.

 

[kabbes]

Probably too much to hope that Obama is cooking up some kind of "Gitmo surprise" for his final days in office, though it would be hilarious if he just announced that the base was being transferred back to its rightful Cuban owners.

Worth remembering that Obama got a Nobel Peace Prize for his meaningless promises about Guantanamo.

 

[butchersapron]

Worth remembering that Obama got a Nobel Peace Prize for his meaningless promises about Guantanamo.

...and all them murders what he done.

 

[J Ed]

Isn't it interesting that it is 'dumb' for the democratically elected leader of the most powerful country on earth to oppose the CIA and that he shouldn't do it because he can expect reprisals?

 

[Maltin]

Isn't it interesting that it is 'dumb' for the democratically elected leader of the most powerful country on earth to oppose the CIA and that he shouldn't do it because he can expect reprisals?

I don't think it's dumb "because he can expect reprisals" in the way that I assume you imply when you mention the CIA, but do you think it is smart or good practice to slag off your employees so publicly? If I, as an employee, had such a wanker as a boss, I don't think I would bother working too diligently for them in the future.

 

[J Ed]

I don't think it's dumb "because he can expect reprisals" in the way that I assume you imply when you mention the CIA, but do you think it is smart or good practice to slag off your employees so publicly? If I, as an employee, had such a wanker as a boss, I don't think I would bother working too diligently for them in the future.

Not as simple as an employer-employee relationship at all though, is it? Remember how following the Snowden revelations we realised that no one in parliament or Congress had any idea what GCHQ/the NSA were doing?

 

[DotCommunist]

I'd imagine these people tend to think in terms of 'the realm' or in their case 'merica' rather than president per se. That and deparmental territory. All that 'governments come and go, we remain' type thinking

 

[Maltin]

Not as simple as an employer-employee relationship at all though, is it? Remember how following the Snowden revelations we realised that no one in parliament or Congress had any idea what GCHQ/the NSA were doing?

Irregardless of how simple or complex the relationship is, do you think it is a sensible tweet or a dumb tweet for the president/commander in chief/boss to be sending?

 

[J Ed]

Irregardless of how simple or complex the relationship is, do you think it is a sensible tweet or a dumb tweet for the president/commander in chief/boss to be sending?

I don't really give a shit, seemingly unlike most liberals I'm not exactly desperate for Donald Trump to have a good relationship with the biggest mass surveillance infrastructure in history. The more acrimonious things are between Trump on the one hand and the CIA and NSA the better.

 

[krtek a houby]

The CIA have done a lot of bad shit over the years but there's never been a huge public outcry in the States over their behaviour. To do so, would be seen as "un American" and all that bollocks. So is Trump tring to engineer a mass revolt against the CIA? Verrrry strange.

 

[J Ed]

The CIA have done a lot of bad shit over the years but there's never been a huge public outcry in the States over their behaviour. To do so, would be seen as "un American" and all that bollocks. So is Trump tring to engineer a mass revolt against the CIA? Verrrry strange.

Now breathe

 

[butchersapron]

...or don't.

 

[krtek a houby]

And because their history is a very colourful one, at the very least, are we (the helpless onlookers) to assume that there's never been a grain of truth in all the decades of information and/or propaganda? If the CIA were revealing info/propaganda that might be seen as helpful to Trump's regime - would he be tweeting flowers and sickening praise at 2 in the morning?

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

I don't really give a shit, seemingly unlike most liberals I'm not exactly desperate for Donald Trump to have a good relationship with the biggest mass surveillance infrastructure in history. The more acrimonious things are between Trump on the one hand and the CIA and NSA the better.

I suspect that Trump is going to find that you don't fuck with the CIA.

 

[killer b]

Incredible that after what, 18 months of breathlessly exclaiming 'he's mad! He's gone too far this time!' and being proved totally wrong at every turn, people are still breathlessly exclaiming 'he's mad! He's gone too far this time!'

 

[butchersapron]

Incredible that after what, 18 months of breathlessly exclaiming 'he's mad! He's gone too far this time!' and being proved totally wrong at every turn, people are still breathlessly exclaiming 'he's mad! He's gone too far this time!'

But he has, he really really has.

 

[krtek a houby]

Incredible that after what, 18 months of breathlessly exclaiming 'he's mad! He's gone too far this time!' and being proved totally wrong at every turn, people are still breathlessly exclaiming 'he's mad! He's gone too far this time!'

You'd think after 424 pages of it, people would just accept that they are totally wrong at every turn & he's not mad nor has he gone too far at any time. Ever.

 

[J Ed]

You'd think after 424 pages of it, people would just accept that they are totally wrong at every turn & he's not mad nor has he gone too far at any time. Ever.

Well he is president elect so they were wrong. Every time they said this is the thing that will do it for him they were wrong, and that includes me on several occasions.

 

[krtek a houby]

Well he is president elect so they were wrong. Every time they said this is the thing that will do it for him they were wrong, and that includes me on several occasions.

I guess it's like the internet, in a way.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

You'd think after 424 pages of it, people would just accept that they are totally wrong at every turn & he's not mad nor has he gone too far at any time. Ever.

I figure if I keep predicting his political demise, then eventually the law of averages will catch up to him. I only have to be right once.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

However, the Republican majority made other changes to increase its power, including giving legislators’ staff members — not just lawmakers themselves — the authority to subpoena and question anyone they want. This could be particularly problematic for activists who support causes that members of congress oppose, such as climate action. “After spending six years demonstrating their eagerness to spend taxpayer money on wasteful, politically motivated witch hunts, Republicans are giving themselves additional tools to do more of the same,” said Representative Louise Slaughter of New York, the top Democrat on the House Rules Committee (via BloombergPolitics). “Freely handing out the power to compel any American to appear, sit in a room, and answer staff’s invasive questions on the record — without members even being required to be present — is truly unprecedented, unwarranted, and offensive.”

Morning Reads: GOP House Gives Staffers Power to Subpoena Anyone; Mnuchin's Bank Broke Foreclosure Laws - BillMoyers.com

Look like I could be testifying before The Committee.

 

[killer b]

I figure if I keep predicting his political demise, then eventually the law of averages will catch up to him. I only have to be right once.

Sure. But in the meantime your reaction isn't a neutral act.

Mad or not, trump is picking a fight with the CIA. The grounds he's chosen to fight them on as far as I can see are that they are too powerful, an unaccountable secretive power messing with the democratic will of the people, who's wings should be clipped.

IMO the liberal reaction we're seeing - he's mad, messing with the all powerful CIA! - both reinforces Trump's argument, and puts the liberals on the same side as the CIA, and is the exact response trump was hoping to provoke when he picked the fight in the first place.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Sure. But in the meantime your reaction isn't a neutral act.

Mad or not, trump is picking a fight with the CIA. The grounds he's chosen to fight them on as far as I can see are that they are too powerful, an unaccountable secretive power messing with the democratic will of the people, who's wings should be clipped.

IMO the liberal reaction we're seeing - he's mad, messing with the all powerful CIA! - both reinforces Trump's argument, and puts the liberals on the same side as the CIA, and is the exact response trump was hoping to provoke when he picked the fight in the first place.

If we were going with the "democratic will of all of the people," Trump wouldn't be President. And if you're going to complain about other entities interfering in elections, there's a long list, starting with the FBI.

It's official: Clinton swamps Trump in popular vote - CNNPolitics.com

 

[killer b]

I don't understand what that has to do with my post.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

I don't understand what that has to do with my post.

Not my problem.

 

[killer b]

Do you think I'm endorsing trumps position?

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Do you think I'm endorsing trumps position?

I'm thinking I made a mistake in taking you off ignore.

 

[killer b]

Nothing then. OK.

 

[J Ed]

I didn't think it was possible for the quality of debate to actually get worse after the election

Clintonites are sounding more and more like Zeitgeist cult members every day

 

[bluescreen]

I didn't think it was possible for the quality of debate to actually get worse after the election

Clintonites are sounding more and more like Zeitgeist cult members every day

Not sure that insulting Clinton supporters is any more productive than privileged people calling less privileged people "stupid", tbh. Too much emotion all round.