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Donald Trump, the road that might not lead to the White House!

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wtf are you on about? You asked me to delete something that was quoted that wasn't from me - and i did. And this in your mind is me trying to dox you?

I don't remember you.


Fuck you then, you did it and if I could be bothered I would drag the relevant posts up, because guess what, they are always there, it's the main reason I know what you are like and this just cements my preceptions of you, you have a lot of good things to say and you have a good grasp on what is happening in the world today but you are someone that can't be trusted.
 
Fuck you then, you did it and if I could be bothered I would drag the relevant posts up, because guess what, they are always there, it's the main reason I know what you are like and this just cements my preceptions of you, you have a lot of good things to say and you have a good grasp on what is happening in the world today but you are someone that can't be trusted.
None of this happened. Bye.
 
The Coming Congressional Onslaught Against Reproductive Justice

Congressional Republicans are outlining their upcoming assault on reproductive health care, now that President-elect Trump’s victory officially removed one of the last barriers to their long-held goal: dismantling critical services and protections for women, people of color, people with low incomes, and LGBTQ people.

GOP leaders in the U.S. House of Representatives and the U.S. Senate have made repealing the Affordable Care Act (ACA) their first target, likely coupled with defunding Planned Parenthood. “A bill to accomplish those two things could be on Trump’s desk by the end of January,” Donna Crane, NARAL Pro-Choice America’s vice president of policy, told Rewire in a phone interview.
 
Meanwhile, in discussion about the President Elect of the USA, Donald J Trump . . .

General Motors stock takes hit after Trump Tweet

The president-elect began the day with a Tweet targeting GM for selling Mexican-made Chevy Cruzes in the U.S. The company responded by saying most of its American-sold Cruzes are made in Ohio.

Well the stock market overall is up since Trump became president elect so he must be good really
 
YES, need more of this kind of thing!

NAACP occupies Alabama Sen. Jeff Sessions’ Mobile office, calls for him to withdraw U.S. Attorney General nomination

More than a dozen NAACP members occupied the Mobile office of Alabama Sen. Jeff Sessions Tuesday, calling for him to turn down his controversial nomination to become the next U.S. Attorney General.

“Our objective is certainly to stop his nomination,” Bernard Simelton, president of the Alabama State Conference of the NAACP, told the Daily News from Sessions’ office.

“But our objective is also to get out the word to people in power to stop it,” he said.

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Background: Jeff Sessions Omits Decades Of Records For His AG Confirmation Hearing

President-elect Donald Trump’s pick for attorney general, Jeff Sessions, is withholding decades’ worth of records from his career ahead of his Senate confirmation hearings early next month, according to an exhaustive report issued Friday by progressive advocacy groups.

The groups, which include Alliance for Justice and People for the American Way, reviewed the questionnaire that Sessions filled out for the Senate Judiciary Committee ― it requires complete documentation of employment history, published writings, interviews and speeches, among other things ― and found “astonishingly deficient” responses. He left out major details from his years as U.S. attorney for the Southern District of Alabama, from 1981 to 1993; as attorney general of Alabama, from 1995 to 1997; and as a first-term U.S. senator, from 1997 to 2002.

The gaps encompass the time, for example, when Sessions was nominated to be a federal judge in 1986 ― and then rejected after being deemed too racist.


 
Meanwhile, in discussion about the President Elect of the USA, Donald J Trump . . .

General Motors stock takes hit after Trump Tweet

The president-elect began the day with a Tweet targeting GM for selling Mexican-made Chevy Cruzes in the U.S. The company responded by saying most of its American-sold Cruzes are made in Ohio.

Maybe people saying stuff on the internet sometimes does matter then.

I guess it depends on who's saying it and whether it fits or not with the line that others are trying to push...
 
Maybe people saying stuff on the internet sometimes does matter then.

I guess it depends on who's saying it and whether it fits or not with the line that others are trying to push...
Yes, strangely enough, posts from an ordinary citizen on a small UK based message board using an anonymous screen name and avatar of a meditating koala in fake nose and glasses are unlikely to have the same impact as tweets from the soon-to-be President of the USA.
 
The End of Progressive Neoliberalism | Dissent Magazine

Trump’s victory is not solely a revolt against global finance. What his voters rejected was not neoliberalism tout court, but progressive neoliberalism. This may sound to some like an oxymoron, but it is a real, if perverse, political alignment that holds the key to understanding the U.S. election results and perhaps some developments elsewhere too. In its U.S. form, progressive neoliberalism is an alliance of mainstream currents of new social movements (feminism, anti-racism, multiculturalism, and LGBTQ rights), on the one side, and high-end “symbolic” and service-based business sectors (Wall Street, Silicon Valley, and Hollywood), on the other. In this alliance, progressive forces are effectively joined with the forces of cognitive capitalism, especially financialization. However unwittingly, the former lend their charisma to the latter. Ideals like diversity and empowerment, which could in principle serve different ends, now gloss policies that have devastated manufacturing and what were once middle-class lives.

Progressive neoliberalism developed in the United States over the last three decades and was ratified with Bill Clinton’s election in 1992. Clinton was the principal engineer and standard-bearer of the “New Democrats,” the U.S. equivalent of Tony Blair’s “New Labor.” In place of the New Deal coalition of unionized manufacturing workers, African Americans, and the urban middle classes, he forged a new alliance of entrepreneurs, suburbanites, new social movements, and youth, all proclaiming their modern, progressive bona fides by embracing diversity, multiculturalism, and women’s rights. Even as it endorsed such progressive notions, the Clinton administration courted Wall Street. Turning the economy over to Goldman Sachs, it deregulated the banking system and negotiated the free-trade agreements that accelerated deindustrialization. What fell by the wayside was the Rust Belt—once the stronghold of New Deal social democracy, and now the region that delivered the electoral college to Donald Trump. That region, along with newer industrial centers in the South, took a major hit as runaway financialization unfolded over the course of the last two decades. Continued by his successors, including Barack Obama, Clinton’s policies degraded the living conditions of all working people, but especially those employed in industrial production. In short, Clintonism bears a heavy share of responsibility for the weakening of unions, the decline of real wages, the increasing precarity of work, and the rise of the two–earner family in place of the defunct family wage.

As that last point suggests, the assault on social security was glossed by a veneer of emancipatory charisma, borrowed from the new social movements. Throughout the years when manufacturing cratered, the country buzzed with talk of “diversity,” “empowerment,” and “non-discrimination.” Identifying “progress” with meritocracy instead of equality, these terms equated “emancipation” with the rise of a small elite of “talented” women, minorities, and gays in the winner-takes-all corporate hierarchy instead of with the latter’s abolition. These liberal-individualist understandings of “progress” gradually replaced the more expansive, anti-hierarchical, egalitarian, class-sensitive, anti-capitalist understandings of emancipation that had flourished in the 1960s and 1970s. As the New Left waned, its structural critique of capitalist society faded, and the country’s characteristic liberal-individualist mindset reasserted itself, imperceptibly shrinking the aspirations of “progressives” and self-proclaimed leftists. What sealed the deal, however, was the coincidence of this evolution with the rise of neoliberalism. A party bent on liberalizing the capitalist economy found its perfect mate in a meritocratic corporate feminism focused on “leaning in” and “cracking the glass ceiling.”

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I, for one, shed no tears for the defeat of progressive neoliberalism. Certainly, there is much to fear from a racist, anti-immigrant, anti-ecological Trump administration. But we should mourn neither the implosion of neoliberal hegemony nor the shattering of Clintonism’s iron grip on the Democratic Party. Trump’s victory marked a defeat for the alliance of emancipation and financialization. But his presidency offers no resolution of the present crisis, no promise of a new regime, no secure hegemony. What we face, rather, is an interregnum, an open and unstable situation in which hearts and minds are up for grabs. In this situation, there is not only danger but also opportunity: the chance to build a new new left.

Whether that happens will depend in part on some serious soul-searching among the progressives who rallied to the Clinton campaign. They will need to drop the comforting but false myth that they lost to a “basket of deplorables” (racists, misogynists, Islamophobes, and homophobes) aided by Vladimir Putin and the FBI. They will need to acknowledge their own share of blame for sacrificing the cause of social protection, material well-being, and working-class dignity to faux understandings of emancipation in terms of meritocracy, diversity, and empowerment. They will need to think deeply about how we might transform the political economy of financialized capitalism, reviving Sanders’s catchphrase “democratic socialism” and figuring out what it might mean in the twenty-first century. They will need, above all, to reach out to the mass of Trump voters who are neither racists nor committed right-wingers, but themselves casualties of a “rigged system” who can and must be recruited to the anti-neoliberal project of a rejuvenated left.

This does not mean muting pressing concerns about racism or sexism. But it does mean showing how those longstanding historical oppressions find new expressions and grounds today, in financialized capitalism. Rebutting the false, zero-sum thinking that dominated the election campaign, we should link the harms suffered by women and people of color to those experienced by the many who voted for Trump. In that way, a revitalized left could lay the foundation for a powerful new coalition committed to fighting for all.
 
Fuck you then, you did it and if I could be bothered I would drag the relevant posts up, because guess what, they are always there, it's the main reason I know what you are like and this just cements my preceptions of you, you have a lot of good things to say and you have a good grasp on what is happening in the world today but you are someone that can't be trusted.
I'm bored so have just done a bit of searching and I can't find anything that looks like what you describe. Sure you have remembered correctly.
 
Yes, strangely enough, posts from an ordinary citizen on a small UK based message board using an anonymous screen name and avatar of a meditating koala in fake nose and glasses are unlikely to have the same impact as tweets from the soon-to-be President of the USA.
Two different audiences

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Yes, that's unfortunate. Civil disobedience nonetheless. Up with this they will not stand, and good on them for it.
I sense a lot of people in America are still in shock about what is happening, and still have more faith in the constitution, institutions and good-will of legislators to stop the rot than I would, old cynic that I am.

I do think actions of civil disobedience will increase, but my worry is a.) they'll meet with hostile, violent responses from the police, b.) they'll be painted by president, GOP leadership and the mainstream media as rabble, traitors and criminals, c.) there will be a violent backlash from far right/white supremacist/KKK/militia type groups against protesters, but also used as an excuse to attack anyone they see as "traitors" to their vision of the US (and the authorities will let it happen/join in.)

:(
 
The odor you smell is from slimy Assange who found all kinds of stuff to leak about the Hillary campaign but nothing about the Trump campaign. Interesting he's so cozy with Fox News right wing wacko Hannity.

That would be the trump campaign were he obliterated the GOP establishment ? What on earth do you think the GOP establishment were saying about him in private ? Nothing good for certain .
 

The national president of the NAACP ended up getting arrested, I didn't know Sessions' extremely fitting full name until he used it in a statement.

As a matter of conscience and conviction, we can neither be mute nor mumble our opposition to Sen. Jefferson Beauregard Sessions becoming attorney general of the United States," Brooks said in a statement. "Sen. Sessions has callously ignored the reality of voter suppression but zealously prosecuted innocent civil rights leaders on trumped up charges of voter fraud. As an opponent of the vote, he can't be trusted to be the chief law enforcement officer for voting rights."
 
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Trump also denied knowing Joey No Socks very well - even though Joey has attended Trump's New Years Eve party for the last 16 years.
 
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But if these false claims weren't made about you, why get involved?
Again this is just dishonest. You know quite well that one of the things that myself and others have been criticising is the type of shitty smears below which make claims about unnamed posters, implying (without having the guts to actually say it) that other posters are racist/sexist/whatever

I find it really insane that people here are (seemingly) denying that factor or declaring it meaningless. If that is what is being said.
For folk on the left, the root of all oppression is class, using the white, working class male as their model (e.g. statements about the "working class" supporting Brexit and Trump.
The only pretenders here are the Trump apologists continuously making out that his opponents are against the working class. Try harder.

But even if the claim was to a specific poster it would still concern me. Maybe solidarity, or even common honesty, doesn't mean anything to you but I consider to a matter to everyone if one poster is going around making serious false claims about another
 
When I look at the first line of your post, and then I look at your three quotes from three posters - for the life of me, I can't see how those posts imply that someone is racist/sexist.




On a different note: what solidarity should British posters on U75 be joining up with, when it comes to discussing the American election?

Which is the acceptable viewpoint for everyone to get behind...in solidarity?


And if those three people have arrived at the viewpoint set out in the quotes, why shouldn't they be able to say so, without fear of being dragged before an impromptu kangaroo court where the inquisitors demand lists, dates, names and times?

It shouldn't be unacceptable, that in a debate amongst adults, some posters might hold views that others disagree with.
 
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And if those three people have arrived at the viewpoint set out in the quotes, why shouldn't they be able to say so, without fear of being dragged before an impromptu kangaroo court where the inquisitors demand lists, dates, names and times?
So asking people to back up a claim they made is an inquisition, pathetic.

It shouldn't be unacceptable, that in a debate amongst adults, some posters might hold views that others disagree with.
And there's another example of precisely what we are talking about. This isn't something myself or anyone has ever argued.
 
Something else to consider: that people who hold opinions or beliefs different from yours, might do so in good faith.

The fact that they're saying something you disagree with, doesn't mean automatically that they are 'dishonest'.

Also worth considering - that people sometimes can be honestly mistaken about something.

Dishonesty can be said to reveal some sort of lack of character, or moral failing.

Those who disagree with you, aren't of necessity, people of low moral character.
 
Who could possibly have predicted this as a consequence of not closing Guantanamo, as Obama promised in his 2008 election campaign?

Donald Trump says Guantanamo Bay releases must end - BBC News

US President-elect Donald Trump says there must be no further releases of detainees from the Guantanamo Bay detention centre in Cuba.

He said those left were "extremely dangerous people and should not be allowed back onto the battlefield".

President Barack Obama had vowed to close the jail during his tenure and has transferred out many prisoners.

Around 60 inmates remain and the White House said later on Tuesday it expected more transfers before 20 January.

Mr Trump had opposed Mr Obama's closure plan during the presidential election campaign.

Last February he said: "This morning, I watched President Obama talking about Gitmo, right, Guantanamo Bay, which by the way, which by the way, we are keeping open.

"Which we are keeping open... and we're gonna load it up with some bad dudes, believe me, we're gonna load it up."
 
Probably too much to hope that Obama is cooking up some kind of "Gitmo surprise" for his final days in office, though it would be hilarious if he just announced that the base was being transferred back to its rightful Cuban owners.
 
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