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Not sure that insulting Clinton supporters is any more productive than privileged people calling less privileged people "stupid", tbh. Too much emotion all round.

Also, there are many posters who had problems with Clinton, but who considered Trump to be the worse candidate of the two. Holding one's nose and voting for the lesser of two evils doesn't really fill the bill of being a 'supporter'.

Calling such people 'Clinton supporters' is as erroneous as calling those who considered Trump to be horrible, but the lesser of two evils, 'Trump supporters'.
 
Calling such people 'Clinton supporters' is as erroneous as calling those who considered Trump to be horrible, but the lesser of two evils, 'Trump supporters'.

WTF. Even mild critiques of Clinton throughout this thread have been met with accusations of support for Trump, continually.
 
Also, there are many posters who had problems with Clinton, but who considered Trump to be the worse candidate of the two. Holding one's nose and voting for the lesser of two evils doesn't really fill the bill of being a 'supporter'.

Calling such people 'Clinton supporters' is as erroneous as calling those who considered Trump to be horrible, but the lesser of two evils, 'Trump supporters'.
Two problems with this post
1) there were posters who were enthusiastic Clinton supporters, so enthusiastic they called people who criticised her (from the left) racist

2) The only poster who I've seen that considered Trump the lesser of two evils, was CR, a racist loon. Have you got any other examples?
 
Two problems with this post
1) there were posters who were enthusiastic Clinton supporters, so enthusiastic they called people who criticised her (from the left) racist

2) The only poster who I've seen that considered Trump the lesser of two evils, was CR, a racist loon. Have you got any other examples?

So, you want some names?

Will you be providing the names of the enthusiastic Clinton supporters who called those posters criticizing Clinton, racist?


On second thought, don't bother; these requests for people to do archival research in order to provide verification for...who knows what?...just serve to knock the discussion off the rails.
 
Not sure that insulting Clinton supporters is any more productive than privileged people calling less privileged people "stupid", tbh.
But killer b wasn't doing this, was he? In fact he's been really very polite all the way through this thread. I'll admit that I've called people morons, told them to fuck off, and I don't apologise for that. I think such insults were appropriate under the circumstances (the proposal of the ridiculous horseshoe theory for example), and certainly far less insulting than the implied smears that people are racists.

But killer b has been pretty polite in general and certainly didn't insult any other poster in this recent exchange, he simply questioned what Yuwipi Woman's post was to do with the point he raised? I mean it's a complete non sequitur isn't it?
 
You won't explain the connection between killer b's point and you what you posted? Because he's not the only one who doesn't understand your reply to him.

The point I was making is that its a bit rich to complain about the CIA subverting the democratic will of the voters with dirty tricks, given the fact that the FBI weighed in at the last minute to change the results of an election they didn't like. There's also accusations of Russia and Wikileaks doing the same. There's a long history of outside entities meddling in Presidential elections. There's accusations going as far back as Ronald Reagan and Richard Nixon that they won the election using the help of dirty tricks by both government agencies and foreign governments.
 
So, you want some names?

Will you be providing the names of the enthusiastic Clinton supporters who called those posters criticizing Clinton, racist?
8den explicitly called at least two people racists for criticising Clinton. If your asking for the names of people I'd call Clinton supporters then - TomUS and CRI.
 
But killer b wasn't doing this, was he? In fact he's been really very polite all the way through this thread. I'll admit that I've called people morons, told them to fuck off, and I don't apologise for that. I think such insults were appropriate under the circumstances (the proposal of the ridiculous horseshoe theory for example), and certainly far less insulting than the implied smears that people are racists.

But killer b has been pretty polite in general and certainly didn't insult any other poster in this recent exchange, he simply questioned what Yuwipi Woman's post was to do with the point he raised? I mean it's a complete non sequitur isn't it?
that post was aimed at J Ed rather than me.
 
The point I was making is that its a bit rich to complain about the CIA subverting the democratic will of the voters with dirty tricks, given the fact that the FBI weighed in at the last minute to change the results of an election they didn't like. There's also accusations of Russia and Wikileaks doing the same. There's a long history of outside entities meddling in Presidential elections. There's accusations going as far back as Ronald Reagan and Richard Nixon that they won the election using the help of dirty tricks by both government agencies and foreign governments.
The validity or otherwise of trump's complaint wasn't the point of the post though.
 
8den explicitly called at least two people racists for criticising Clinton. If your asking for the names of people I'd call Clinton supporters then - TomUS and CRI.

But: did those Clinton supporters - TomUS and CRI - call other posters racist for criticising Clinton?

Is 8den a Clinton supporter?
 
The point I was making is that its a bit rich to complain about the CIA subverting the democratic will of the voters with dirty tricks, given the fact that the FBI weighed in at the last minute to change the results of an election they didn't like. There's also accusations of Russia and Wikileaks doing the same. There's a long history of outside entities meddling in Presidential elections. There's accusations going as far back as Ronald Reagan and Richard Nixon that they won the election using the help of dirty tricks by both government agencies and foreign governments.
But nobody is saying that Trump isn't a hypocritical cunt of the first order, he clearly is. The point was that the response to Trump was poor.
 
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Is 8den a Clinton supporter?
I'd say calling people who criticised Clinton (or even just criticised the tactic of the Clinton campaign) racists, Trump supporters etc, posting probably hundreds of posts in favour of Clinton makes 8den a Clinton supporter yes.

But: did those Clinton supporters - TomUS and CRI - call other posters racist for criticising Clinton?
There was a full stop between the sentence mentioning 8den and that mentioning TomUS and CRI so I was quite clearly putting them in a seperate category. But CRI has certainly called other posters racists for criticising Clinton/neoliberalism, exactly which posters they mean they won't say. Can't remember off the top of my head whether TomUS has.
 
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Free marijuana on Inauguration Day
 
Uh-oh: somebody's going off-message -

A top adviser to President-elect Donald Trump said Monday he thinks the Russians were involved in election-related hacking of the US -- a very different view than that held by the incoming administration.

Former CIA director James Woolsey, an adviser to Trump on national security issues, told CNN's Jim Sciutto that determining who was behind the hacks is difficult, but that he believes the Russians -- and possibly others -- were involved.

Adviser contradicts Trump: Russians hacked the US - CNNPolitics.com
 
But killer b wasn't doing this, was he? In fact he's been really very polite all the way through this thread. I'll admit that I've called people morons, told them to fuck off, and I don't apologise for that. I think such insults were appropriate under the circumstances (the proposal of the ridiculous horseshoe theory for example), and certainly far less insulting than the implied smears that people are racists.

But killer b has been pretty polite in general and certainly didn't insult any other poster in this recent exchange, he simply questioned what Yuwipi Woman's post was to do with the point he raised? I mean it's a complete non sequitur isn't it?
eh? I wasn't citing killer b and my comment wasn't aimed at him. I was citing J Ed but really talking in general. Maybe J Ed was referring to killer b but I hadn't picked that up at all. Frankly, thread entropy has made the discussion pretty tedious all round.
 
I'd say calling people who criticised Clinton (or even just criticised the tactic of the Clinton campaign) racists, Trump supporters etc, posting probably hundreds of posts in favour of Clinton makes 8den a Clinton supporter yes.


There was a full stop between the sentence mentioning 8den and that mentioning TomUS and CRI so I was quite clearly putting them in a seperate category. But CRI has certainly called other posters racists for criticising Clinton/neoliberalism, exactly which posters they mean they won't say. Can't remember off the top of my head whether TomUS has.

Uh nope.

I cited exit poll stats showing that 62% of white men and 52% of white women voted for Trump while only 13% of Black men and 4% of Black women did. I said in my view, more than half of white women voting Trump showed their loyalty was to their white racial identity and privilege (i.e. by backing a candidate who made overtly racist statements and welcomed support of white supremacists,) over any solidarity with women over their shared gender identity. Surely no one would deny Clinton had both a track record of action and stood on a platform with policies promoting the welfare of women and children. Surely no one believes Trump had a stronger background of or advocated policies benefiting women and children. I know some Americans genuinely believe banning abortions and restricting contraception IS for the benefit of women and children, but I don't agree.

If there were any white American Trump voting women members here, okay, I could see they might think I was having a pop at them. I don't think I engaged with any members fitting that profile. However, there was plenty of huffing and puffing from folks almost any time I suggested that racism played a significant role in the outcome of the election.

I also stated my view that white supremacy is embedded in the foundations and fabric of the US as a nation, and that really seemed to get arms flailing here. I described my personal experience of it, cited a range of articles and even linked to one about my own fucking home town, but I was told I was being mean to working class people, it was all about class not race, it's a universal thing, and I didn't know jack shit.

And yes, I've pointed out that racism is a thing on both the right and left of politics, and that particularly when folks on the left talk about the working class, they are defacto talking about white people because most of the time, their descriptions reflect a white working class experience. That seemed to induce spasms of horror that I could suggest such a thing, and clearly my comments were taken very personally by some members. There were also suggestions that I'm not qualified to have an opinion here because I post pictures of kittens on the site, or because I don't fit into some neat ideological pigeon hole. I don't take crap like that personally. It's just silly.

As I said, I've never once said to another member, "You are a racist." I have suggested that if the shoe fits, it's your choice to wear it. No one's forcing it on your foot, for fuxake. :rolleyes:
 
Nope. Not even close.

Most Presidents have appointed folks to their government that they at least think are well-qualified and experienced for those roles, and where there's no (obvious at least) conflict of interest. Trump's doing the opposite. Appointing Carson, an ex neurosurgeon with some whack out fundamentalist christian takes on things is perfectly consistent with Trump's approach. Not surprising he picked a Black guy for the HUD role because Trump has consistently signaled that he associates being African American with poverty and violence. Picking a woman for education is along the same lines. Neither's a top line post, both will preside over spectacular failures due to under funding and right wing bootstraps policies, so bonus points for proving that you should only give important jobs to white dudes.

Hey, but I seem to recall you don't believe institutional discrimination exists, except against white working class men, so naw, I can't be arsed to explain the thing about how being experienced and qualified and being from a minority group aren't mutually exclusive.
 
Free joints at the Inauguration:

Free marijuana on Inauguration Day

Interesting approach.

I like this one myself:

Rebecca Ferguson has become the latest artist involved in the saga that is Donald Trump's presidential inauguration ceremony.

The former X Factor UK contestant said in a statement on 2 January that she had been asked to perform at the event on 20 January - and that she would accept on one condition - if she can sing 'Strange Fruit'.

Rebecca Ferguson will perform at Donald Trump's inauguration on one, incredible condition
 
In NY today - saw a building with the Mark of the Beast:

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Who does this building belong to?

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Donald Trump's stepson! Coincidence? I think not...
 
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