Donald Trump, the road that might not lead to the White House!

[ItWillNeverWork]

Look around ya pal, there's plenty to be seen. You're welcome!

So name them then.

 

[redsquirrel]

Absolutely, they have been, which makes it all the more distressing and depressing that many who profess to be socialists now have become apologists for or even open supporters of rising right wing authoritarianism. They're the ones spitting on the graves of forefathers and foremothers who fought fascism.

Then you won't have any problems naming these people will you. Of course you won't do this just as you haven't the first twenty times people have picked you up on your smears, you'll just continue to repeat them like the prick you are.

Gibberish

Amazing, you come out with this garbage and have a go at maomao for something that was clear to anyone not a dribbling idiot.

 

[maomao]

Please forgive my less than totally clear use of the word ’apologising' which in the context I felt could clearly be understood to mean 'being an apologist for'. Now please give examples.

 

[J Ed]

Jesus even I could name a handful of obscure leftists somewhere who fit the bill, of course it would necessarily look so desperate and pathetic that the constant innuendo on here would look silly!

 

[Casually Red]

Look around ya pal, there's plenty to be seen. You're welcome!

Look under the bed

 

[squirrelp]

Russia and the USA have done the tit for tat expulsion of diplomats for decades. Somehow though, this time, the President is doing it because he wants to start a nuclear war? What a load of pish.

To be fair, I've seen quite a few folks make that claim, and saying we should be thankful that Trump's good relations with Putin will avoid this otherwise seemingly inevitable war.

It's coming from those folk who like to call themselves Alt-Right these days.

Must be nice and cosy with y'all in that bed.

Cosy? It's called making one's own mind up, and it's the opposite of cosy.

If you are to base your opinion to avoid association with a particular demographic, then you are letting their views decide your opinion for you.

 

[Miss Caphat]

Oh dear fucking god.

I have remembered why I started veering from this site and these discussions.

We have a really fucking crazy loose cannon about to become the leader of the free world

yet the discussion amongst some of the many really brilliant minds here has devolved into nitpicking and urban's favorite game, gang up on the scapegoat with as much dramatic exaggeration and overblown sense of outrage as you can muster.

tbf a bunch of you really have come across as far right wing / Trump apologists. stop blaming the messenger and maybe think about why that is the case and how you could change that if you don't want to be perceived as such.

 

[J Ed]

yet the discussion amongst some of the many really brilliant minds here has devolved into nitpicking and urban's favorite game, gang up on the scapegoat with as much dramatic exaggeration and overblown sense of outrage as you can muster.

tbf a bunch of you really have come across as far right wing / Trump apologists. stop blaming the messenger and maybe think about why that is the case and how you could change that if you don't want to be perceived as such.

Um, that is sort of why we are here. Any discussion of Trump beyond 'he won because Americans are big bad racists' (or before then any discussion of why Clinton isn't perfect) was met with vague accusations and innuendo about racism and sexism, those met with the accusations have asked for them to be substantiated, they aren't and then we get this complaining and more innuendo. This pattern has been repeated many times across the thread.

 

[J Ed]

We still don't have any reference whatsoever to policy by CRI or CRI's defenders. This is all politics is to them - individual online beefs and identity. Little surprise that any 'political' discussion they involve themselves in descends to this, they have no other way to engage with it.

 

[redsquirrel]

tbf a bunch of you really have come across as far right wing / Trump apologists. stop blaming the messenger and maybe think about why that is the case and how you could change that if you don't want to be perceived as such.

Again going to name these people, or just persist with the cowardly smears?

 

[Casually Red]

Oh dear fucking god.

I have remembered why I started veering from this site and these discussions.

We have a really fucking crazy loose cannon about to become the leader of the free world

yet the discussion amongst some of the many really brilliant minds here has devolved into nitpicking and urban's favorite game, gang up on the scapegoat with as much dramatic exaggeration and overblown sense of outrage as you can muster.

tbf a bunch of you really have come across as far right wing / Trump apologists. stop blaming the messenger and maybe think about why that is the case and how you could change that if you don't want to be perceived as such.

We have a clown haired fuckwit currently being accused ..by these great liberals..of "unamericanism " ..whatever that is...and even treason because he doesn't want to escalate confrontation with Russia. Which is already at extremely perilous levels, scarily perilous and badly needs de escalated . Thanks be to Christ that Clinton lunatic isn't at the controls . Wed be going straight into a cataclysm thanks to her lunatic aggression coupled with her utter incompetence and idiocy .

She without a doubt is a crazy loose cannon . Way crazier than him and her track record proves that without a doubt . It's also a track record of total and utter incompetence . Crowned with her losing to this clown .

As regards your accusations of far right wing Trump apologists, and that other eejits,absolutely nothing's been said here that isn't being said by people like this .

Susan Sarandon: Hillary Clinton “more dangerous” than Donald Trump

Susan Sarandon Says She Might Prefer Trump to Clinton—Do Many Bernie Backers Agree?

John Pilger on War, Propaganda, Clinton and Trump



None of those people are remotely far right or Trump apologists . I suggest you take a few minutes to actually see what it is they're saying about this , as it'll help you stop labelling others with this rubbish .

 

[J Ed]

Sarandon never said she would vote for Trump, as the headlines above imply, she just said that she wouldn't vote for Clinton where her vote means basically nothing anyway.

 

[squirrelp]

tbf a bunch of you really have come across as far right wing / Trump apologists. stop blaming the messenger and maybe think about why that is the case and how you could change that if you don't want to be perceived as such.

Maybe a better solution is for you to take up pigeon fancying and save your pigeon holes for that, and let other people get on with saying what they think.

 

[Spymaster]

... the discussion amongst some of the many really brilliant minds here has devolved into nitpicking and urban's favorite game ...

Are you kidding?

Prior to my posting this, there have been no "brilliant minds" contributing to this thread.

 

[Casually Red]

Sarandon never said she would vote for Trump, as the headlines above imply, she just said that she wouldn't vote for Clinton where her vote means basically nothing anyway.

The point is she viewed Clinton as more dangerous , more murderous and more corrupt than Trump . A worse choice on a string of levels . That she was unworthy of support . Those are the points being made generally on this thread . They aren't far right positions or apologism for Trump as is being alleged by certain posters .

 

[J Ed]

Definitely not a fan of Bill Maher's 'the problem is that we are insufficiently Islamophobic' bullshit, funny how his diagnosis of the loss of working-class support has absolutely no reference to the Democratic abandonment of the New Deal and embrace of neoliberalism.

 

[Casually Red]

Definitely not a fan of Bill Maher's 'the problem is that we are insufficiently Islamophobic' bullshit, funny how his diagnosis of the loss of working-class support has absolutely no reference to the Democratic abandonment of the New Deal and embrace of neoliberalism.

I agree with you totally on your first point, but the video had contributions from others that addressed some of those other issues . And the general smugness that accompanies it .

 

[J Ed]

I agree with you totally on your first point, but the video had contributions from others that addressed some of those other issues . And the general smugness that accompanies it .

All of the people on the programme barring Maher had very good points, which is how I've felt with everything I've ever seen with Maher.

 

[Casually Red]

All of the people on the programme barring Maher had very good points, which is how I've felt with everything I've ever seen with Maher.

He's an arse in a dozen ways, no doubt about it, and it was probably a bad example with him being so prominent . But I was trying to get across to that poster her and that other guys accusations against others here were ridiculous . Not that Maher is a font of any wisdom. He's a bollocks .

 

[Pickman's model]

Look around ya pal, there's plenty to be seen. You're welcome!

Please just name them

 

[Pickman's model]

Oh dear fucking god.

I have remembered why I started veering from this site and these discussions.

We have a really fucking crazy loose cannon about to become the leader of the free world

yet the discussion amongst some of the many really brilliant minds here has devolved into nitpicking and urban's favorite game, gang up on the scapegoat with as much dramatic exaggeration and overblown sense of outrage as you can muster.

tbf a bunch of you really have come across as far right wing / Trump apologists. stop blaming the messenger and maybe think about why that is the case and how you could change that if you don't want to be perceived as such.

It would be good if you could name the members of this cabal

 

[TomUS]

We have a clown haired fuckwit currently being accused ..by these great liberals..of "unamericanism " ..whatever that is...and even treason because he doesn't want to escalate confrontation with Russia. Which is already at extremely perilous levels, scarily perilous and badly needs de escalated . Thanks be to Christ that Clinton lunatic isn't at the controls . Wed be going straight into a cataclysm thanks to her lunatic aggression coupled with her utter incompetence and idiocy .

She without a doubt is a crazy loose cannon . Way crazier than him and her track record proves that without a doubt . It's also a track record of total and utter incompetence . Crowned with her losing to this clown .

As regards your accusations of far right wing Trump apologists, and that other eejits,absolutely nothing's been said here that isn't being said by people like this .

Susan Sarandon: Hillary Clinton “more dangerous” than Donald Trump

Susan Sarandon Says She Might Prefer Trump to Clinton—Do Many Bernie Backers Agree?

John Pilger on War, Propaganda, Clinton and Trump



None of those people are remotely far right or Trump apologists . I suggest you take a few minutes to actually see what it is they're saying about this , as it'll help you stop labelling others with this rubbish .

I'm looking forward to Sarandon's revolution that will apparently begin shortly after Jan 20.

Susan Sarandon, a Bernie Sanders' surrogate, says Donald Trump would be more likely to usher in "the revolution" than Hillary Clinton...."Some people feel that Donald Trump will bring the revolution immediately, if he gets in. Then things will really, you know, explode," Sarandon said, referring to the political "revolution" Sanders preaches about on the trail.

Susan Sarandon: Trump more likely to bring 'revolution' than Clinton - CNNPolitics.com

 

[J Ed]

Wasn't sure whether to put this here or on the graunid thread

Here are 7 ways you can keep fighting for justice in 2017 | Ijeoma Oluo

Decentralize whiteness
Just about every aspect of western culture centralizes whiteness. Our history, infrastructure, medical system, justice system, education system, entertainment industry – and yes, our social justice organizations – all do this. Whiteness is default, it’s ubiquitous and it’s insidious.

We don’t have to purposefully center whiteness. When we neglect to decentralize it, it will be automatically centered. So work to decentralize whiteness: in your children’s school lessons, in your PTA meetings, in your office meetings, in your city council meetings, in the film and TV you watch, in the music you listen to, in the leaders you support. If you do not decentralize whiteness in your movements for progress, you will leave people of color behind. And what kind of progress is that?

Nice ideology, very appealing 10/10 - the people pushing stuff like this definitely wouldn't have been the most enthusiastic informers to the Cheka or the Gestapo in another life. Telling people that they are bad and should feel guilty for being white is going to be what puts a neoliberal Dem in the Whitehouse in 2020!

The rest of it is just as bad really - buy good stuff, don't buy bad stuff, watch good TV not bad TV. These people haven't just given up on the idea of taking power, they are so disinterested in anything beyond arguing about individual behaviours, not unlike a 19th Century etiquette guide for posh young women or something, and the minutiae of organisational methods that they simply do not think about it anymore.

 

[pogofish]

This just popped-up on my hotel TV:

 

[Casually Red]

Wasn't sure whether to put this here or on the graunid thread

Here are 7 ways you can keep fighting for justice in 2017 | Ijeoma Oluo



Nice ideology, very appealing 10/10 - the people pushing stuff like this definitely wouldn't have been the most enthusiastic informers to the Cheka or the Gestapo in another life. Telling people that they are bad and should feel guilty for being white is going to be what puts a neoliberal Dem in the Whitehouse in 2020!

The rest of it is just as bad really - buy good stuff, don't buy bad stuff, watch good TV not bad TV. These people haven't just given up on the idea of taking power, they are so disinterested in anything beyond arguing about individual behaviours, not unlike a 19th Century etiquette guide for posh young women or something, and the minutiae of organisational methods that they simply do not think about it anymore.

" keep that close to your heart and let it be the light that guides your way " .

My favourite line .

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

Wasn't sure whether to put this here or on the graunid thread

Here are 7 ways you can keep fighting for justice in 2017 | Ijeoma Oluo



Nice ideology, very appealing 10/10 - the people pushing stuff like this definitely wouldn't have been the most enthusiastic informers to the Cheka or the Gestapo in another life. Telling people that they are bad and should feel guilty for being white is going to be what puts a neoliberal Dem in the Whitehouse in 2020!

The rest of it is just as bad really - buy good stuff, don't buy bad stuff, watch good TV not bad TV. These people haven't just given up on the idea of taking power, they are so disinterested in anything beyond arguing about individual behaviours, not unlike a 19th Century etiquette guide for posh young women or something, and the minutiae of organisational methods that they simply do not think about it anymore.

What does 'decentralise' mean in this context? I don't get it.

 

[Casually Red]

What does 'decentralise' mean in this context? I don't get it.

Whiteness is ubiquitous and insidious , apparently. So maybe either take a leaf out of Rachel Dolezals book and change colour or at least have the decency to feel ashamed of your insidious, ubiquitous skin pigmentation .
Also something to do with privilege I suspect .

Trumps guaranteed a second term if this is the godawful , offensive , insult to peoples intelligence shit they're coming out with . Any wonder the words " left wing " are a fucking joke to working people these days . Arseholes .

 

[Casually Red]

Watch " the Cosby show " and " Fresh prince of Bel fucking air " instead of Shameless . That's what that idiot is actually fucking saying .

Decentralise my hole . Fuck off .

 

[J Ed]

Well worth a read

Escapism as Politics: American Liberals and Cultural Consumerism

 

[TomUS]

Well worth a read

Escapism as Politics: American Liberals and Cultural Consumerism

Over and over.....It's them smug American liberals ridiculing the right wing. That's the problem. They are to blame for the rise of Trumpism and the religious right. What nonsense.