Donald Trump, the road that might not lead to the White House!

[hot air baboon]

..still slightly confused as to how exactly the same people who were vehemently asserting pre-Election that Clinton's proclivity for keeping State Dept and classified material on her unsecure private PC was an entirely irrelevant diversion from the real issues facing the country have now pivoted to the view that hostile enemy hackery is now a major foreign policy crisis that seems to threaten the security of the entire political system....

 

[J Ed]

..still slightly confused as to how exactly the same people who were vehemently asserting pre-Election that Clinton's proclivity for keeping State Dept and classified material on her unsecure private PC was an entirely irrelevant diversion from the real issues facing the country have now pivoted to the view that hostile enemy hackery is now a major foreign policy crisis that seems to threaten the security of the entire political system....

Also watch how, not very slowly, the same people who said things like 'Bernie Sanders cannot be president because he is obviously a racist because he didn't include X obscure academic term in his stump speech', 'breaking up the banks is bad because it won't end racism' shift towards a 'Keith Ellison can't be head of the DNC cos he's a Muslim/the Democrats lost because they weren't racist enough' position.

 

[J Ed]

It is also fascinating how the DNC/Podesta leaks both 1) revealed nothing of importance, vindicated Clinton entirely 2) swung the election

 

[Casually Red]

..still slightly confused as to how exactly the same people who were vehemently asserting pre-Election that Clinton's proclivity for keeping State Dept and classified material on her unsecure private PC was an entirely irrelevant diversion from the real issues facing the country have now pivoted to the view that hostile enemy hackery is now a major foreign policy crisis that seems to threaten the security of the entire political system....

Not merely its security but apparently it's legitimacy . This is all about something else . It's the bi partisan war faction trying its best to keep the war going . That's why it has the potential for real danger . Branding Trump a Russian asset puts not merely his tenure but his life and liberty in real danger . Although I doubt it will prove successful this has the potential to be a coup in the making .

 

[CRI]

Pinned as well!

And retweeted at exactly the same moment it was sent, by the Russian Embassy in the US. Funny that.

Those Russian diplomats sure have fast fingers, but of course they would never dream of sticking them into the American political pie.

 

[Casually Red]

 

[not-bono-ever]

Be happy for coal miners losing their health insurance. They're getting exactly what they voted for

that is an awful sneery article

 

[J Ed]

And retweeted at exactly the same moment it was sent, by the Russian Embassy in the US. Funny that.

Those Russian diplomats sure have fast fingers, but of course they would never dream of sticking them into the American political pie.


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This is the conspiracy theorist CRI gets all their info from btw Sarah Kendzior (@sarahkendzior) on Twitter

 

[J Ed]

Other recent highlights include

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

And retweeted at exactly the same moment it was sent, by the Russian Embassy in the US. Funny that.

Those Russian diplomats sure have fast fingers, but of course they would never dream of sticking them into the American political pie.


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Trump loves his exclamation marks.

It's a surprise that he doesn't tweet in all capitals. He seems the type.

 

[CRI]

Trump loves his exclamation marks.

It's a surprise that he doesn't tweet in all capitals. He seems the type.

A few have remarked about his use of "V. Putin" which is a particularly Russian naming convention. It was a short tweet, so nowt do do with 140 character limit and he's always just called him Putin before. It's weird.

 

[Miss Caphat]

So that's a no then

it's an "i don't give a fuck." start a new thread if you want to squabble about the minute details of another members political ideology

 

[J Ed]

A few have remarked about his use of "V. Putin" which is a particularly Russian naming convention. It was a short tweet, so nowt do do with 140 character limit and he's always just called him Putin before. It's weird.

This is the conspiracy theorist CRI gets all their info from btw Sarah Kendzior (@sarahkendzior) on Twitter

Other recent highlights include

 

[little_legs]

A few have remarked about his use of "V. Putin" which is a particularly Russian naming convention. It was a short tweet, so nowt do do with 140 character limit and he's always just called him Putin before. It's weird.

Will you take it from a Russian native speaker that there is nothing special about that?

 

[CRI]

Will you take it from a Russian native speaker that there is nothing special about that?

Sure, although it was another Russian native speaker elsewhere who suggested it was a Russian / East European convention. I can only say as a native Engilsh speaker (American), it's not an American English convention. Have you got any idea why he chose V. Putin over Putin or even the dude's full name when there were plenty of characters for that? Curious.

 

[Casually Red]

So this is were the smug liberals go full on Alex jones on us . After sneering for years at the hicks .

 

[J Ed]

Sure, although it was another Russian native speaker elsewhere who suggested it was a Russian / East European convention. I can only say as a native Engilsh speaker (American), it's not an American English convention. Have you got any idea why he chose V. Putin over Putin or even the dude's full name when there were plenty of characters for that? Curious.

It's because Trump is a sleeper agent of the Extant Evil Empire, turned and activated in the 1980s, just like LaRouche said.

 

[Casually Red]

Sure, although it was another Russian native speaker elsewhere who suggested it was a Russian / East European convention. I can only say as a native Engilsh speaker (American), it's not an American English convention. Have you got any idea why he chose V. Putin over Putin or even the dude's full name when there were plenty of characters for that? Curious.

Are you saying now that Trumps not merely a secret Russian agent but an actual secret Russian ? That he's not just " UnAmerican " but actually not an American ?

 

[J Ed]

Why do those Hawaiian birth certificates look so funny anyway?!

 

[Casually Red]

La la fucking land

 

[little_legs]

Sure, although it was another Russian native speaker elsewhere who suggested it was a Russian / East European convention. I can only say as a native Engilsh speaker (American), it's not an American English convention. Have you got any idea why he chose V. Putin over Putin or even the dude's full name when there were plenty of characters for that? Curious.

He did it because that's how he chose to refer to the Russian president. There is nothing sinister or mysterious about it.

 

[J Ed]

Barack HUSSEIN Obama

 

[Casually Red]

 

[CRI]

This 'white working class' you constantly talk about. What does this identity consist of?

Ok, I noticed at the time of Brexit, when Sanders lost the Democrat nomination to Clinton and after Trump won, there were quite a few posts here suggesting these were related to politicians failing to engage with working class voters.

If you look at figures for voting to leave the EU, 53% of white people voted leave. Only 27% of Black and 33% of Asian people did (see link below 6th graph down). Couldn't find a breakdown based on class, but I couldn't find any reports showing widespread support among working class BAME for Brexit, then there was the spate of racist and xenophobic attacks after the vote. So it's hard to argue that the leave result was from working class disaffection, unless you exclude people of colour from the definition of "working class."

Every time I suggested Sanders would have fared less well than Clinton as the Democrat candidate either because lotsa white folks wouldn't vote for a Jewish Socialist and he had little support from African Americans, explaining both, I was just told I was talking shit. Explaining why I just might have some insight into how and why white, rural working class Americans might vote (i.e. like it's where I come from), I was slammed for unfairly calling white working class Americans racist. When I posted links to a brace of articles from African Americans explaining why Sanders wouldn't cut it, naw, no interest.

In the presidential election, 57% of white voters went for Trump. Only 8% of African American voters did. A higher proportion of African Americans are working class than whites are (i.e. in blue collar jobs, have lower levels of education and worse income and benefit packages - indicators most Americans use when they talk about class.) So, folks who still harp on about working class Americans rejecting Clinton, they certainly ain't including African Americans in their definition of working class.

Somehow down the track, my drawing attention to the above, my explanation of how white supremacy is embedded in US culture, my suggestion of white, male dominance in political movements on the left, and the fertile imaginations of some posters, led to a some quite childish personal attacks. That's the ones I can see because I muted the most tedious posters.

Ah well, at least plenty examples round these parts to support the concept of Horseshoe Theory.

 

[CRI]

He did it because that's how he chose to refer to the Russian president. There is nothing sinister or mysterious about it.

Okay, no problem. Thanks L. Legs. Night night!

 

[Casually Red]

Statistics smachistics . Nobody's taking a conspiracy theorist seriously .

 

[redsquirrel]

Ah well, at least plenty examples round these parts to support the concept of Horseshoe Theory.

Wanker

The fact that you believe the socialists, communists and anarchists that have always been at the forefront of the fight against fascism (in many cases at the expense of their lives) are the same as those they were fighting against just shows how stupid you are and how anybody with any radical politics should spit in your face.

 

[seventh bullet]

Ok, I noticed at the time of Brexit, when Sanders lost the Democrat nomination to Clinton and after Trump won, there were quite a few posts here suggesting these were related to politicians failing to engage with working class voters.

If you look at figures for voting to leave the EU, 53% of white people voted leave. Only 27% of Black and 33% of Asian people did (see link below 6th graph down). Couldn't find a breakdown based on class, but I couldn't find any reports showing widespread support among working class BAME for Brexit, then there was the spate of racist and xenophobic attacks after the vote. So it's hard to argue that the leave result was from working class disaffection, unless you exclude people of colour from the definition of "working class."

Every time I suggested Sanders would have fared less well than Clinton as the Democrat candidate either because lotsa white folks wouldn't vote for a Jewish Socialist and he had little support from African Americans, explaining both, I was just told I was talking shit. Explaining why I just might have some insight into how and why white, rural working class Americans might vote (i.e. like it's where I come from), I was slammed for unfairly calling white working class Americans racist. When I posted links to a brace of articles from African Americans explaining why Sanders wouldn't cut it, naw, no interest.

In the presidential election, 57% of white voters went for Trump. Only 8% of African American voters did. A higher proportion of African Americans are working class than whites are (i.e. in blue collar jobs, have lower levels of education and worse income and benefit packages - indicators most Americans use when they talk about class.) So, folks who still harp on about working class Americans rejecting Clinton, they certainly ain't including African Americans in their definition of working class.

Somehow down the track, my drawing attention to the above, my explanation of how white supremacy is embedded in US culture, my suggestion of white, male dominance in political movements on the left, and the fertile imaginations of some posters, led to a some quite childish personal attacks. That's the ones I can see because I muted the most tedious posters.

Ah well, at least plenty examples round these parts to support the concept of Horseshoe Theory.

I'm sorry but I'm still at a loss as to how someone like me, who happens to be working class and white, fits into this 'identity' constructed by people not of my class and most likely hostile to it whatever the colour of a proletarian's skin, but in my case this group called 'white working class.' What is essential to this identity that I don't recognise as organic in any sense but I must be a part of? Because someone else, someone better, said so.

This is you, your culture, everything you can be.

Nope.

 

[Yossarian]

I'm sorry but I'm still at a loss as to how someone like me, who happens to be working class and white, fits into this 'identity' constructed by people not of my class and most likely hostile to it whatever the colour of a proletarian's skin, but in my case this group called 'white working class.' What is essential to this identity that I don't recognise as organic in any sense but I must be a part of? Because someone else, someone better, said so.

It doesn't seem worthwhile even to compare the "white working class" in the US to that in the UK, there are some superficial similarities in the plight of workers in Ohio, Indiana, etc. to that of workers in many parts of England, but there's such a big difference even state-to-state in the US that the term is almost meaningless. One of the most shocking statistics I saw during election coverage was that only 1.9% of workers in North Carolina belong to unions.

 

[Miss Caphat]

..still slightly confused as to how exactly the same people who were vehemently asserting pre-Election that Clinton's proclivity for keeping State Dept and classified material on her unsecure private PC was an entirely irrelevant diversion from the real issues facing the country have now pivoted to the view that hostile enemy hackery is now a major foreign policy crisis that seems to threaten the security of the entire political system....

uh, because both are true. (ok, it wasn't entirely irrelevant, and frankly I think she should have been disqualified for complete ineptitude along with all of her staff and whoever failed at advising her) but also, it was entirely blown out of proportion in relation to Clinton considering that this is a widespread problem in US government. The security is shockingly bad.

which leads to the fact that it does actually seem that a foreign policy crisis threatened the security of our political system. the two things are part of the same problem.