Donald Trump, the road that might not lead to the White House!

[CRI]

Perhaps I could suggest that those in need of understanding the 'mood of a America today' visit the American sites, 'mother Jones' and 'politico'
Apologies to those who are familiar with them, but to those who aren't! be careful in visiting the 'comments sections'
However they open many a window as to how the Average American feels.
Also makes you thankful that you are a citizen of the UK, despite our many shortfalls.

Yep - I do think reading what Americans themselves read is important, and not just selected sources. Comments sections are revealing, as are publications across the spectrum. Being prepared to let go of preconceptions.

I've found lots of folks in the UK (especially on the left) find it hard to wrap their heads around the views and ways of expressing those views among some Americans. So, they tend to dismiss them as "random nutcases," so toss them out of the overall picture they build. On this board, for example, there seems to be a huge reluctance to recognise the entrenchment of white supremacy in the US or the central role of fundamentalist Christianity in the lives of individuals, families and communities. Big mistake.

 

[CRI]

Are you suggesting that's what Obama is doing here?

Can't see the benefit of saying, "If only . . . " now. Won't change anything.

 

[andysays]

Can't see the benefit of saying, "If only . . . " now. Won't change anything.

And are you suggesting that's what Obama is doing, or is that comment directed elsewhere?

One of the benefits of understanding how a Democrat candidate could have done better in 2016 might be so that the next Democrat candidate in 2020 does better than Clinton did this time round, but to be honest you've shown very little interest in exploring or understanding that side of things so it comes as no surprise that you still appear to be unable to recognise this

 

[J Ed]

How about demonstrating genuine commitment to tackling the inequalities that underpin the divisions?

When history tells folks that such calls for solidarity are mostly about window-dressing, that issues affecting them will always be bottom of the agenda and they'll be thrown under a bus when the going gets tough, don't be surprised if they say, "Nah."

Was a big problem with Sanders campaign - looked great on paper to white folks who are still scratching their heads why Black people didn't fall into line.

Can anyone identify anything substantive, policy or politics or otherwise, in this other than a reluctance to let an opportunity for scolding either in the here and now or in principle pass by?

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

How about demonstrating genuine commitment to tackling the inequalities that underpin the divisions?

When history tells folks that such calls for solidarity are mostly about window-dressing, that issues affecting them will always be bottom of the agenda and they'll be thrown under a bus when the going gets tough, don't be surprised if they say, "Nah."
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What a load of arse. Truth is, you're terrified of the idea that a person who has been aggressed against might forgive their aggressor, and that this might result in a positive change in the person doing the aggressing. God forbid this sort of thing not being stamped out, as white knights such as yourself would be deprived of a hobby horse. Got to keep the liberal grievance industry running at full steam. Got to keep churning out a stream victims in need of rescue.

 

[CRI]

What a load of arse. Truth is, you're terrified of the idea that a person who has been aggressed against might forgive their aggressor, and that this might result in a positive change in the person doing the aggressing. God forbid this sort of thing not being stamped out, as white knights such as yourself would be deprived of a hobby horse. Got to keep the liberal grievance industry running at full steam. Got to keep churning out a stream victims in need of rescue.

Aw, well keep enjoying your warm fuzzies cause you know, solidarity and all that stuff.

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

Aw, well keep enjoying your warm fuzzies cause you know, solidarity and all that stuff.

And what do you propose as an alternative to solidarity? What do you offer other than divide-and-rule identity politics?

 

[CRI]

And are you suggesting that's what Obama is doing, or is that comment directed elsewhere?

One of the benefits of understanding how a Democrat candidate could have done better in 2016 might be so that the next Democrat candidate in 2020 does better than Clinton did this time round, but to be honest you've shown very little interest in exploring or understanding that side of things so it comes as no surprise that you still appear to be unable to recognise this

And are you suggesting that's what Obama is doing, or is that comment directed elsewhere?

One of the benefits of understanding how a Democrat candidate could have done better in 2016 might be so that the next Democrat candidate in 2020 does better than Clinton did this time round, but to be honest you've shown very little interest in exploring or understanding that side of things so it comes as no surprise that you still appear to be unable to recognise this

I guess your outrage hasn't allowed you to actually read any of my posts then. I've cited plenty of evidence on who voted how and possibly why. But, since I haven't seen evidence to back the popular idea from folk here (at least those not from or in North America) that Bernie Sanders would have aced it, what I've said doesn't seem to matter.

Sure, it's important to reflect, but I don't get the idea of limiting it to only "Clinton was a shit candidate" and "Should have listened more to white, working class men" as reasons for why Trump won. And, Christ, the defensiveness at any suggestion that Russian intelligence could have in any way tried to influence the outcome for one favourable to their interests.

I can't see any benefit in Obama saying he could have won a third term coz that's not reflection or analysis, and would have been unconstitutional.

 

[J Ed]

Focus on the important stuff like how ordinary people are inherently bad and beyond redemption.

 

[krtek a houby]

Focus on the important stuff like how ordinary people are inherently bad and beyond redemption.

Because only the rich and powerful are inherently bad and beyond redemption.

 

[J Ed]

Because only the rich and powerful are inherently bad and beyond redemption.

Thank goodness people like you exist to fight the good fight, not enough hatred and blame is focused on the poor.

 

[krtek a houby]

Thank goodness people like you exist to fight the good fight, not enough hatred and blame is focused on the poor.

All Trump voters are poor are they? That's a bit presumptive of you.

 

[J Ed]

All Trump voters are poor are they? That's a bit presumptive of you.

Fuck off

 

[redsquirrel]

Aw, well keep enjoying your warm fuzzies cause you know, solidarity and all that stuff.

I don't know why I'm bothering because it's obvious to anyone with half a brain and even mild socialist politics that you're a moron and as much the enemy as Trump, but there's nothing easy or fuzzy about solidarity. It can be really fucking hard, but it's the only way the working class will obtain the results in it's interests.

 

[krtek a houby]

Fuck off

Tell that to the ordinary black, hispanic, Asian, LGBT people who voted against that monster.

 

[J Ed]

Tell that to the ordinary black, hispanic, Asian, LGBT people who voted against that monster.

Ok

 

[krtek a houby]

Aw, well keep enjoying your warm fuzzies cause you know, solidarity and all that stuff.

That's the one thing Trump supporters do well - solidarity.

 

[krtek a houby]

Here's the poor, disenfranchised voters that Trump will deliver from poverty and servitude

 

[maomao]

Here's the poor, disenfranchised voters that Trump will deliver from poverty and servitude

As usual when losing the argument (or in your case can't understand the argument) invent another argument and pretend you've won that instead.

 

[J Ed]

Here's the poor, disenfranchised voters that Trump will deliver from poverty and servitude

Some may call them deplorables, I call them comrades

 

[TomUS]

Some may call them deplorables, I call them comrades

I call them the enemy.

 

[J Ed]

I call them the enemy.

Struggle with sarcasm?

 

[JimW]

Struggle with sarcasm?

That's my political strategy for the new year.

 

[krtek a houby]

As usual when losing the argument (or in your case can't understand the argument) invent another argument and pretend you've won that instead.

The only pretenders here are the Trump apologists continuously making out that his opponents are against the working class. Try harder.

 

[krtek a houby]

Some may call them deplorables, I call them comrades

Rich white comrades. Of course.

 

[maomao]

Rich white comrades. Of course.

I can almost undertstand TomUS 's immunity to British sarcasm but you are a denizen of this sceptred Isle are you not?

I'm sure that most of the posters you claim to be arguing with condemn Trump and his alt right fan base as heartily if not more so as you do. Maybe you could start a thread where the three of you take it in turns to condemn Trump and his fascist friends so that people can discuss politics on this one. I'm sure it would be riveting.

 

[snadge]

And what do you propose as an alternative to solidarity? What do you offer other than divide-and-rule identity politics?

They can't help but do it, oppression points are the new black.

 

[krtek a houby]

I can almost undertstand TomUS 's immunity to British sarcasm but you are a denizen of this sceptred Isle are you not?

I'm sure that most of the posters you claim to be arguing with condemn Trump and his alt right fan base as heartily if not more so as you do. Maybe you could start a thread where the three of you take it in turns to condemn Trump and his fascist friends so that people can discuss politics on this one. I'm sure it would be riveting.

Or sad. Very sad.

 

[snadge]

Or sad. Very sad.

You got that one right, the three of you could have so much sadness.

 

[krtek a houby]

You got that one right, the three of you could have so much sadness.

I have no idea who you are but I'm sure you're very interesting. To some people.