Donald Trump, the road that might not lead to the White House!

[J Ed]

Basically; do you support the thousands of jobs being lost that CRI mentioned?

Yes, I love it when people pretend get the sack

 

[krtek a houby]

Yes, I love it when people pretend get the sack

Ok, you don't want to discuss it. Fine.

 

[butchersapron]

Basically; do you support the thousands of jobs being lost that CRI mentioned?

wt effin f.

 

[redsquirrel]

Amazing, a self-proclaimed pacifist arguing for government money being thrown to the arms industry. The knots that some people will tie themselves into to "attack" Trump.

Still at least that nice Teresa May cares about arms workers, if those crazy far-lefties had their way they'd stop BAE selling weapons to the Saudis!

 

[maomao]

Some people work hard to support their families. The job may well be distasteful. But... if Trump created a dozen new weapons manufacturers, would you laud the jobs created? Or would you criticise the new administration for concentrating on that sector?

Distasteful. Lol.

 

[maomao]

They're probably better off unemployed if their work is going to put them off their dinner.

 

[butchersapron]

The CIA, assange and the military arms complex- all now good.

 

[krtek a houby]

Distasteful. Lol.

Yes, the weapons industry is distasteful. Lol, indeed.

 

[krtek a houby]

Amazing, a self-proclaimed pacifist arguing for government money being thrown to the arms industry. The knots that some people will tie themselves into to "attack" Trump.

Still at least that nice Teresa May cares about arms workers, if those crazy far-lefties had their way they'd stop BAE selling weapons to the Saudis!

I'm not arguing for anything of the sort, it's a hypethetical about jobs. . Jeez, the knots that some people will tie themselves into to "defend" Trump.

 

[maomao]

Yes, the weapons industry is distasteful. Lol, indeed.

Seeing as you need things spelled out for you: don't you think that's a bit of a fucking understatement. Taxidermy is a distasteful profession. Building weapons of mass murder is a little bit more than that don't you think?

 

[butchersapron]

I'm not arguing for anything of the sort, it's a hypethetical about jobs. . Jeez, the knots that some people will tie themselves into to "defend" Trump.

You're pretty much done now aren't you?

 

[krtek a houby]

Seeing as you need things spelled out for you: don't you think that's a bit of a fucking understatement. Taxidermy is a distasteful profession. Building weapons of mass murder is a little bit more than that don't you think?

Yes, I do. Feel free to point out where I have ever supported the weapons industry. I'm putting this into the context of jobs - manufacturing, mechanics, engineers etc. Surely a lot of the employees would be working class - some of whom may well be Trump voters.

 

[DotCommunist]

Lockheed Martin shares drop after Trump says F-35 program too expensive

When Trump's transition team was asked by reporters about Trump's tweet, the team said a clear message is being sent that Trump will fight for taxpayers.

Ok, but what about the thousands of Lockheed Martin employees who will probably lose their jobs because of this?

even by their logic its one of the most expensive and dubious projects. Seriously, just taken at a non political stance, everyone thinks the f-35 is fucked. It probably represents the last gasp of pilot operated aircraft anyway. But srs, look up on it, the whole thing from start to finish ish. Its a perfect example of military procurement following its predictable path. I mean, nobody should be building weapons to wage air war anyway but this? this project? Its nearly a textbook example of how business trumps actual use. The dodgness surrounding the whole lot won't go away. If 'half watching' me spotted thr complete shennaniggans, pork and pocket lining in the whole fiasco. then most will have. Building weapons for wars they won't have.

Thats not to endorse trump obvs, if it was in his head that day he might say the new jet was brilliant, the best jet, you have no idea how beautiful it is. At 100 mil plus per aircraft.

all bollocks and distraction

 

[butchersapron]

Yes, I do. Feel free to point out where I have ever supported the weapons industry. I'm putting this into the context of jobs - manufacturing, mechanics, engineers etc. Surely a lot of the employees would be working class - some of whom may well be Trump voters.

Vocal trident supporter. More Nuclear weapons = more jobs. Anything that produces jobs is good by me.

 

[butchersapron]

What's the best job providing part of the weapons industry krtek a houby? How can we get behind them?

 

[maomao]

I'm not arguing for anything of the sort, it's a hypethetical about jobs. . Jeez, the knots that some people will tie themselves into to "defend" Trump.

No-one here has defended Trump (except possibly that conspiraloon weirdo) even a little bit. You and CRI are tying yourself in knots defending liberal capitalism from Trump. Liberal capitalism doesn't need defending from Trump. He's its greatest ever champion.

 

[redsquirrel]

Invasion of Ukraine - has the benefit of boosting employment and stopping the evil plots of those dastardly Russians

 

[krtek a houby]

No-one here has defended Trump (except possibly that conspiraloon weirdo) even a little bit. You and CRI are tying yourself in knots defending liberal capitalism from Trump. Liberal capitalism doesn't need defending from Trump. He's its greatest ever champion.

As I said, I'm putting it into the context of jobs for ordinary Americans; which is what Trump is supposedly all about. I don't care for the weapons industry anymore than you do.

 

[butchersapron]

As I said, I'm putting it into the context of jobs for ordinary Americans; which is what Trump is supposedly all about. I don't care for the weapons industry anymore than you do.

You seen to care for it rather more than anyone here.

 

[Pickman's model]

Invasion of Ukraine - has the benefit of boosting employment and stopping the evil plots of those dastardly Russians

Yeh. seeing as the UK and USA were guaranteeing ukraine's borders I don't suppose we've seen the last of the dastardly Russian plots

 

[butchersapron]

As I said, I'm putting it into the context of jobs for ordinary Americans; which is what Trump is supposedly all about. I don't care for the weapons industry anymore than you do.

What does putting it "in the context of" mean? It means supporting it.

 

[Idris2002]

When the missiles go up
Who cares where they come down
That's not my department
Says Werner von Braun.

 

[discokermit]

I wonder where the first nukes will strike?
10/1 There will be no war
15/1 Middle East(Iranian soil)
20/1 Eastern Europe (Baltics)
100/1 Russa
100/1 China
150/1 Usa (affiate country)

Should really do a poll for prosperity.

i'll have 40 quid on the first one, £27.50 the second, £21 the third, £4.35 on the next two then £2.91 on the last. so basically, whatever happens, you owe me nearly 340 quid.

Mathematics of bookmaking - Wikipedia

 

[CRI]

even by their logic its one of the most expensive and dubious projects. Seriously, just taken at a non political stance, everyone thinks the f-35 is fucked. It probably represents the last gasp of pilot operated aircraft anyway. But srs, look up on it, the whole thing from start to finish ish. Its a perfect example of military procurement following its predictable path. I mean, nobody should be building weapons to wage air war anyway but this? this project? Its nearly a textbook example of how business trumps actual use. The dodgness surrounding the whole lot won't go away. If 'half watching' me spotted thr complete shennaniggans, pork and pocket lining in the whole fiasco. then most will have. Building weapons for wars they won't have.

Thats not to endorse trump obvs, if it was in his head that day he might say the new jet was brilliant, the best jet, you have no idea how beautiful it is. At 100 mil plus per aircraft.

all bollocks and distraction

He also had a tweet pop at Boeing with similar losses in the share value of the company.

I'm no fan of the arms industry, but it does directly and indirectly provide employment for many thousands of people, often in areas where there are few alternative employers. Yes, bring in other industries to replace the job, doing or making things more beneficial and less harmful to society. But do that FIRST.

But Trump has no intention of doing that. He's just a.) seeing a quick way to save a buck that he can keep for himself or his cronies, b.) no need to spend so much on defense because Russia is an ally, c.) probably not even aware that jobs would be lost because he's not that bright, and even if he does know, he doesn't really care.

 

[J Ed]

He also had a tweet pop at Boeing with similar losses in the share value of the company.

I'm no fan of the arms industry, but it does directly and indirectly provide employment for many thousands of people, often in areas where there are few alternative employers. Yes, bring in other industries to replace the job, doing or making things more beneficial and less harmful to society. But do that FIRST.

But Trump has no intention of doing that. He's just a.) seeing a quick way to save a buck that he can keep for himself or his cronies, b.) no need to spend so much on defense because Russia is an ally, c.) probably not even aware that jobs would be lost because he's not that bright, and even if he does know, he doesn't really care.

How does this person manage such a consistent output of nonsense?

 

[butchersapron]

i'm 68 you know

 

[DotCommunist]

the US has vast fields of aircraft mothballed and needing only the requisite refits and training to use against the foes they actually face yet projects like the f-35 zombie on tooling up for wars of...what? Its all a massive massive scam, the UK manufactor for export so does the US. One of the biggest rackets going. And the glory of it all is what is known of these bullshit projects is only what has been allowed to be seen for public consumption. All the brown envelopes and dodgy relations not known or half-known. All a massive scam.

 

[two sheds]

ah but they've already sold more advanced planes to other countries than they have in mothballs, so they'd be vulnerable if they didn't develop more advanced planes to sell to other countries

 

[redsquirrel]

How does this person manage such a consistent output of nonsense?

A silly tweet floating some nonsense has now become a fact that military spending is going to go down under the Trump presidency and with a Republican House and Senate causing huge job losses. It's crazy.

 

[CRI]

A silly tweet floating some nonsense has now become a fact that military spending is going to go down under the Trump presidency and with a Republican House and Senate causing huge job losses. It's crazy.

When Presidents in the past have been caught off guard (e.g. thinking the mic was off, someone revealing content of a private conversation, etc.) or have said something dubious (GWB was prone to this), the media, the markets, the people have analysed and re-analysed to work out what it means.

In this case, it may be "a silly tweet," but it comes from the soon to be President who frequently sends such messages not in unguarded moments, not in opaque terms, but deliberately and directly. He's used the medium to threaten legal action, to incite violence, to trash individuals and organisations (including at least one teenage student), and to state bald-faced lies.

Are folks supposed to just ignore stuff that comes out of the mouth (or thumbs in this case) of the man who will soon be President of the USA, like he's your teenage nephew spouting off about something from his bedroom?