Donald Trump, the road that might not lead to the White House!

[Casually Red]

The whole Russia thing seems like just a distraction, but I don't know how it even became controversial to suggest there was some Russian or Russian-allied fuckery going on - I thought it was pretty much a given that Russia and China had basically hacked the shit out of everything possible and the US had done the same in return.

It's not as if there were 50 experts working round the clock in the Kremlin's Cyberwarfare Division hell-bent on hacking the Democrats for the glory of Mother Russia, seems more like somebody happened to guess that John Podesta's Gmail password was "H1LLARY."

I think it's a bit more than a distraction . It's being treated as an act of aggression..despite zero proof offered that it even actually happened . Nobody from the CIA is even coming out and saying it happened . Just anonymous sources and media sock puppets . Thats code for complete and utter bullshit .

Trump is vulnerable on this issue from a number of directions . This looks like a pre emptive attempt to set his policy for him . To actively thwart any rapprochement between the 2 powers . Panic has set in among the war hawks that Trump seems set to have good relations . They want confrontation across the board .

Before Trump comes to power there's now going to be a committee examining this issue . It's going to be headed up by fucking McCain. Who is actually insane . As well as virulently anti Russian and who has also openly called for Putins lynching and murder as well as war against Russia . And Graham . Who's also every bit as batshit . And a number of Clinton allies who are basically her stooges . McCain has announced this committee is going to " go to work on it " .
The findings of that committee are wholly predetermined . They don't need any proof . It'll be WMD dossier all over again . McCain and his mates has already publicly determined the outcome before they've even started .

Trump could end up being presented with grounds for his impeachment , certainly the legitimacy of his election will be called into question . The pressure will be on him to take an anti Russian stance or lose legitimacy . Major shenanigans going on here before he even sits down .

 

[DotCommunist]

was just reading his new pick for Homeland security is former head of SOUTHCOM , who have been busy busy in latin america etc. Article says Trump now has more military on his team than any president before

 

[butchersapron]

God, all these bad people on a president of the US' team. Why don't the CIA do something?

 

[DotCommunist]

God, all these bad people on a president of the US' team. Why don't the CIA do something?

was more interested in the angle (in the article) that he's surrounding himself with people who are used to taking orders from the president, rather than people who will have to be persuaded and debated with etc.
I'm not sure thats a gone conclusion given that they are senior military so presumably used to arguing with politicians and explananing limitations etc. We'll see.

 

[hot air baboon]

Strictly Come Dancing in fix row as voting lines stop working


...can we get the CIA onto this...

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

God, all these bad people on a president of the US' team. Why don't the CIA do something?

Give them time. It's not like they're newbies at overthrowing governments.

 

[hipipol]

Seems that El Trumpestosic one has decided to back Taiwan
Bizarre

Good watch

 

[ViolentPanda]

When people - people who put themselves on the left - say they trust the CIA and that others need to as well, then that's a whole other load of trouble.

It's scary how many people adhere to the old bollocks that "my enemy's enemy is my friend".

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

McCain wanted Sarah Palin a heartbeat away from the presidency & he's now worried about Trump

I don't think he wanted her at all. She was foisted upon him, trying to pull in the more nutty parts of the party. It didn't work and probably cost him the election.

 

[squirrelp]

I think it's a bit more than a distraction . It's being treated as an act of aggression..despite zero proof offered that it even actually happened . Nobody from the CIA is even coming out and saying it happened . Just anonymous sources and media sock puppets . Thats code for complete and utter bullshit .

The phrase they are using is 'high confidence'. Which translates as... they have no actual evidence.

 

[squirrelp]

This is from the last New York Times... seriously, you couldn't make it up... well they probably could

The dispute cuts to core realities of intelligence analysis. Judgments are often made in a fog of uncertainty, are sometimes based on putting together shards of a mosaic that do not reveal a full picture, and can always be affected by human biases.

“This is why I hate the term ‘we speak truth to power,’” said Mark M. Lowenthal, a former senior C.I.A. analyst. “We don’t have truth. We have really good ideas.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/11/us/politics/cia-judgment-intelligence-russia-hacking-evidence.html

 

[butchersapron]

The phrase they are using is 'high confidence'. Which translates as... they have no actual evidence.

Or they have confidence in the claims that they make in actual reports rather than the inflated media and paranoid types and evidence to support those limited claims. Having high confidence is now suspect in itself apparently.

 

[squirrelp]

Or they have confidence in the claims that they make in actual reports rather than the inflated media and paranoid types and evidence to support those limited claims. Having high confidence is now suspect in itself apparently.

Well no, they are claiming 'high confidence' that the Russians hacked the emails

 

[butchersapron]

Well no, they are claiming 'high confidence' that the Russians hacked the emails

How is does that mean 'no'?

 

[squirrelp]

there's a word for this, it's 'propaganda'

 

[squirrelp]

How is does that mean 'no'?

The CIA are claiming high confidence that the Russians hacked the emails. The media are simply parroting this. There isn't an inflation of the claims on the part of the media, as you are suggesting.

 

[butchersapron]

The CIA are claiming high confidence that the Russians hacked the emails. The media are simply parroting this. There isn't an inflation of the claims on the part of the media, as you are suggesting.

There in an elevation from DNC to rigging the elections. Who has done this?

 

[squirrelp]

There in an elevation from DNC to rigging the elections. Who has done this?

Please try doing your own research Mr Apron, it's not hard

 

[butchersapron]

Please try doing your own research Mr Apron, it's not hard

What sort of response is that?

 

[squirrelp]

What sort of response is that?

Your questions are getting sillier.

 

[butchersapron]

They've been sceptical of claim that the russian state rigged the US election, they've talked about the political reasoning behind promoting such a belief, pointed out the difference between DNC hacking and the way this elevated in the media to rigging the election via hacking actual voting. You - you stick to this.

You bellend.

 

[squirrelp]

They've been sceptical of claim that the russian state rigged the US election, they've talked about the political reasoning behind promoting such a belief, pointed out the difference between DNC hacking and the way this elevated in the media to rigging the election via hacking actual voting. You - you stick to this.

You bellend.

Absolutely incoherent. I cannot have a meaningful discussion with someone who isn't making any sense.

 

[butchersapron]

Absolutely incoherent. I cannot have a meaningful discussion with someone who isn't making any sense.

It's your MO. Of course you can.

 

[butchersapron]

My posts on this thread are logical coherent and whatever you need btw.

 

[CRI]

Lockheed Martin shares drop after Trump says F-35 program too expensive

When Trump's transition team was asked by reporters about Trump's tweet, the team said a clear message is being sent that Trump will fight for taxpayers.

Ok, but what about the thousands of Lockheed Martin employees who will probably lose their jobs because of this?

 

[J Ed]

Lockheed Martin shares drop after Trump says F-35 program too expensive

When Trump's transition team was asked by reporters about Trump's tweet, the team said a clear message is being sent that Trump will fight for taxpayers.

Ok, but what about the thousands of Lockheed Martin employees who will probably lose their jobs because of this?

This one tops the Teen Vogue gaslighting post.

 

[J Ed]

Everyone is always talking about how you shouldn't sell heroin to schoolchildren but what about all the hard working heroin dealers who lose their jobs because of this?

 

[krtek a houby]

Everyone is always talking about how you shouldn't sell heroin to schoolchildren but what about all the hard working heroin dealers who lose their jobs because of this?

Some people work hard to support their families. The job may well be distasteful. But... if Trump created a dozen new weapons manufacturers, would you laud the jobs created? Or would you criticise the new administration for concentrating on that sector?

 

[J Ed]

Some people work hard to support their families. The job may well be distasteful. But... if Trump created a dozen new weapons manufacturers, would you laud the jobs created? Or would you criticise the new administration for concentrating on that sector?

What does this even mean? Is Trump going to be nationalising and expanding the weapons industry or something?

 

[krtek a houby]

What does this even mean? Is Trump going to be nationalising and expanding the weapons industry or something?

Basically; do you support the thousands of jobs being lost that CRI mentioned?