Donald Trump, the road that might not lead to the White House!

[BandWagon]

I think he's smart enough to separate the stuff he needed to say to get elected from the stuff he's actually going to do once in office. That's what they all do.

 

[Casually Red]

Even if Trump is the lesser of two evils policy wise (who the fuck knows, he changes his unintelligible views every few minutes), his rhetoric and hate mongering in the short term is dangerous and can't be tolerated.

It seems tolerable enough when Clinton uses it . There's a real hypocrisy in all of this .

And as regards what's truly dangerous this is a good read regarding Clinton

Hillary Clinton Cries Crocodile Tears for Latin American Immigrants

 

[redsquirrel]

The way to beat Trump is to highlight his lack of understanding of the political system and how it differs from Business and to force him to talk about his political policies. Many Americans honestly believe that the world begins and ends in the USA and have little understanding of a larger world view

Yes, portraying politics as a special club which Trump and others don't understand is definitely going to turn voters off him.

 

[Casually Red]

I think he's smart enough to separate the stuff he needed to say to get elected from the stuff he's actually going to do once in office. That's what they all do.

 

[salem]

Fake apparently

FALSE: Donald Trump Said Republicans Are the 'Dumbest Group of Voters'

 

[Yossarian]

Why the media will lift Trump up and tear Clinton down

I think the only way the media will be able to create a narrative of a new, presidential Trump will be if somebody sews his lips shut.

He's going to give them plenty to write about if even he spends the next six months well behind in the polls and it never looks like a close race - it's going to be hilarious to watch the desperation set in as he slowly realizes that after a lifetime shouting about the importance of winning, he is about to go down in history as a big loser.

 

[billy_bob]

One of the main reasons Obama failed is because of the power Hilary Clinton wielded , and the agendas she persued .

What?????? He was her boss, not vice versa.

I'm not credulous enough to take TomUS 's line of disagreement there - but do you really think that, Casually Red?

That's a genuine question, not an attempt to rubbish the suggestion. I thought it was fairly clear that what's hamstrung Obama is a congressional Republican party that more or less abandoned any pretence of the national interest to focus on attacking and undermining the president for eight years, in a display of vindictiveness and pique that I don't know of any precedent for (Bill Clinton got some of it but largely brought that on himself) and which is presumably, for many of them, not unconnected to his skin colour. Is there a body of opinion/analysis that says it wasn't that but Hillary which held him back?

 

[Casually Red]

I'm not credulous enough to take TomUS 's line of disagreement there - but do you really think that, Casually Red?

That's a genuine question, not an attempt to rubbish the suggestion. I thought it was fairly clear that what's hamstrung Obama is a congressional Republican party that more or less abandoned any pretence of the national interest to focus on attacking and undermining the president for eight years, in a display of vindictiveness and pique that I don't know of any precedent for (Bill Clinton got some of it but largely brought that on himself) and which is presumably, for many of them, not unconnected to his skin colour. Is there a body of opinion/analysis that says it wasn't that but Hillary which held him back?

I was referring to his foreign policy failures . And the man who started out with the call to " not do stupid stuff " and recalibrating the relationship with Russia ended up completely destroying Libya, almost destroying Syria and Ukraine , supporting Latin American coup merchants , reviving Al Qaeda and co to previously unheard of ..and undreamed of..empowerment, unleashing tidal waves of immigration and refugees accross the middle east and Latin America and starting another cold war . While at the same time overseeing the social and economic outcomes of the likes of Nafta . an invention of the Clinton team .
Obama got the job of president while still totally wet behind the ears . He relied on Clinton ..and her " team " and contacts for supposed gravitas, experience and advice as secretary of state .And he got it and often took it . And look what happened .

Eta

And those attacks on him, which probably were racially motivated to one degree or another, the ammunition used to feed it was originally started by Clinton herself .

 

[DrRingDing]

Donald Trump just did a massive U-turn on two very significant policies

He's started to radically turn tactics, as I predicted.

Any shrill liberals still running around like Beaker?

 

[billy_bob]

Donald Trump just did a massive U-turn on two very significant policies

He's started to radically turn tactics, as I predicted.

Any shrill liberals still running around like Beaker?

This is either evidence of an pretty shrewd plan that's been in place all along despite appearances to the contrary, or further evidence that he says literally the first thing that pops into his head at any given moment, regardless of whether it directly contradicts something else he's said.

I honestly can't judge which at the moment.

 

[DrRingDing]

This is either evidence of an pretty shrewd plan that's been in place all along despite appearances to the contrary, or further evidence that he says literally the first thing that pops into his head at any given moment, regardless of whether it directly contradicts something else he's said.

I honestly can't judge which at the moment.

It's clearly tactical. He's made clear, brutal and unscrupulous manoeuvres to bag the conservative vote. That's done, a blag well done. Next it's those floating voters.

 

[Casually Red]

Any shrill liberals still running around like Beaker?

He's been talking about taxing the rich from many years back . It's nothing new really . He u turned on it when going after the nomination but went straight back to it afterwards . The minimum wage thing is new though .

And I dare say it's just spiked a slew of ads and spin interviews that the Killary camp have been preparing to go at him with . Now he's cornered the right he'll go after her on the left . Which won't be remotely hard . Outflanking her while continually punching below the belt as well.

Quick off the mark too . Before she's had a proper chance to train her sights on him . He's not responding to any negative poll or bruising debate encounter, it looks much more like he'd thought this out in advance .

 

[DotCommunist]

This is either evidence of an pretty shrewd plan that's been in place all along despite appearances to the contrary, or further evidence that he says literally the first thing that pops into his head at any given moment, regardless of whether it directly contradicts something else he's said.

I honestly can't judge which at the moment.

I'm going with riffs on a prepped line of attack/speech etc. IE has the key points and then goes on it- what was it, mcain who he cussed for being a POW? I remember thinking that seemed unscripted, like he was a bit ruffled but just thought 'cunt the other person off, that has always worked for me' and so did.

 

[Casually Red]

This is either evidence of an pretty shrewd plan that's been in place all along despite appearances to the contrary, or further evidence that he says literally the first thing that pops into his head at any given moment, regardless of whether it directly contradicts something else he's said.

I honestly can't judge which at the moment.

He was talking about this years ago, definitely hasn't just popped into his head now . Plainly he'd have been slaughtered by the other GOP candidates had he gone into the race talking about raising taxes on the wealthy . So he said the opposite right up until securing the nomination . And like ring ding said, successful blag . Now onto blag more .

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

he is about to go down in history as a big loser.

I have a horrible feeling he isn't.

 

[Casually Red]

Sanders has a much better chance of beating him in a presidential race than Clinton I reckon . He can't outflank sanders on the left . He can't point to a personal and political history of sleaze ,rape,lies, war and corruption with Sanders. Can't play the anti establishment card with him either . I'm pretty sure Trump prefers to be facing Clinton when alls said and done .

Sanders is personally likeable , even to his opponents. Clinton is a toxic personality, surrounded by even more toxic ones . Trump can easily be less toxic than her now by simply not being as toxic . Which he doesn't need to be now he's secured the nomination .

I'm not saying he will win but it's doable if he plays his cards right . And so far he appears to be playing his hand shrewdly. In some respects at least .

 

[DrRingDing]

An interesting question is who will Trump choose as a running partner? Will be be cajoled by the GOP to pick someone of their choosing? Or will he have the freedom to pick himself?

If he has free reign, it would make sense to pick a woman. What options are there?

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

What options are there?

Palin

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Palin

Yes, please! We may go down the drain, but at least it would be an entertaining trip.

 

[DrRingDing]

Palin

I think he's been shrewd enough not to pick her. Not because she's a moron but he needs to appeal more to the middle ground. Lifelong Republicans are not going to vote for Clinton.

 

[ska invita]

Fake apparently

Blatantly pixels

 

[1%er]

Yes, portraying politics as a special club which Trump and others don't understand is definitely going to turn voters off him.

You've missed the point by selecting just one line of a long post that explains what is meant
The point is that way -------------------------->

 

[redsquirrel]

Your "point" is typical patronising nonsense given by liberal wankers, it is precisely the reason why Trump is doing so well. I mean if you seriously think that Clinton going on about how

Many Americans honestly believe that the world begins and ends in the USA and have little understanding of a larger world view

is going to win over possible swing voters you're an idiot. Trump appeals to many because he is running as an outsider, a non-politician going on about he (and those voting for him) doesn't really understand how "things are done" is not going to eat into his support, if anything it's going to boost it. The only people that message is going to play well with is those who are already voting for Clinton.

 

[Pickman's model]

weltweit could you take the 'not' out of the title?

 

[weltweit]

weltweit could you take the 'not' out of the title?

It is too late, are we doomed to become the enemies of the leader of the free world?
ps: all I can do now is add a poll

 

[Pickman's model]

It is too late, are we doomed to become the enemies of the leader of the free world?
ps: all I can do now is add a poll

With the question: shall we change the thread title

 

[Yossarian]

If he has free reign, it would make sense to pick a woman. What options are there?

Ann Coulter.
Caitlyn Jenner.
Heidi Cruz.
Megyn Fox.
Liz Cheney.

 

[1%er]

Your "point" is typical patronising nonsense given by liberal wankers, it is precisely the reason why Trump is doing so well. I mean if you seriously think that Clinton going on about how
is going to win over possible swing voters you're an idiot. Trump appeals to many because he is running as an outsider, a non-politician going on about he (and those voting for him) doesn't really understand how "things are done" is not going to eat into his support, if anything it's going to boost it. The only people that message is going to play well with is those who are already voting for Clinton.

They are voting for a local Councillor are they, I thought they were voting for the President of the USA, I'd have thought that anyone running for that job should have some basic understanding of how the political system works. Something Trump clearly doesn't have if you listen to him for more than 5 seconds.

But I'll take your point on-board and next time I get a tooth ache I'll call a plumber.

 

[redsquirrel]

They are voting for a local Councillor are they, I thought they were voting for the President of the USA, I'd have thought that anyone running for that job should have some basic understanding of how the political system works. Something Trump clearly doesn't have if you listen to him for more than 5 seconds.

But I'll take your point on-board and next time I get a tooth ache I'll call a plumber.

Yeah that's right calling all those (possible) Trump voters thickos is really going to convince them not to back him.

Are you really are not aware that one of the biggest drivers behind the rise of Trump, UKIP, etc is the disgust and anger many people feel for the established political parties that have neglected them?

 

[1%er]

Yeah that's right calling all those (possible) Trump voters thickos is really going to convince them not to back him.

Are you really are not aware that one of the biggest drivers behind the rise of Trump, UKIP, etc is the disgust and anger many people feel for the established political parties that have neglected them?

It seems you didn't read my post or didn't understand it, not sure which, but if you had you wouldn't be writing such bollox