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Was he really threatening her?

In a lengthy and uncompromising riff on Cheney, Trump seemed to insinuate that the former congresswoman would be less of a “war hawk” — as Trump referred to her — if she was in a war herself with guns “trained on her face.”

“She’s a radical war hawk. Let’s put her with a rifle standing there with nine barrels shooting at her,” Trump said. “Okay, let’s see how she feels about it. You know when the guns are trained on her face — you know, they’re all war hawks when they’re sitting in Washington in a nice building,” Trump continued.

In a post on his Truth Social website Friday afternoon, Trump said that Cheney "wouldn’t have “the guts” to fight herself. It’s easy for her to talk, sitting far from where the death scenes take place, but put a gun in her hand, and let her go fight, and she’ll say, 'No thanks!'"


Of course Trump is a dangerous shithead who belongs in prison for all kinds of reasons, but I definitely wouldn't have objected to somebody saying the same thing about a Cheney 20 years ago
 
Was he really threatening her?

In a lengthy and uncompromising riff on Cheney, Trump seemed to insinuate that the former congresswoman would be less of a “war hawk” — as Trump referred to her — if she was in a war herself with guns “trained on her face.”

“She’s a radical war hawk. Let’s put her with a rifle standing there with nine barrels shooting at her,” Trump said. “Okay, let’s see how she feels about it. You know when the guns are trained on her face — you know, they’re all war hawks when they’re sitting in Washington in a nice building,” Trump continued.

In a post on his Truth Social website Friday afternoon, Trump said that Cheney "wouldn’t have “the guts” to fight herself. It’s easy for her to talk, sitting far from where the death scenes take place, but put a gun in her hand, and let her go fight, and she’ll say, 'No thanks!'"


Of course Trump is a dangerous shithead who belongs in prison for all kinds of reasons, but I definitely wouldn't have objected to somebody saying the same thing about a Cheney 20 years ago
Yes.

The bs he and his sycophants are now spewing is ridiculous. It won't wash in a court of law, as Glenn has just said in the vid. A judge definitely said he knew what he was doing when he targeted others, after claiming he is not responsible for what his supporters do.

I'm not a Cheney fan on her previous record, but she has my admiration here for having the balls to stand up to the evil, cowardly bastard. He is just trying to muddy the waters here, after doing his usual shitty thing to incite his mob. Shameful.
 
Trump’s “celebrity” supporters are the worst bunch of deranged freaks imaginable. Of course they include Brand and Musk but also Mel Gibson, Hulk Hogan and Kayne West. Also a rapper called Kodak Black who was recently convicted of sexually battering and assaulting a high school girl.


 
Yes.

The bs he and his sycophants are now spewing is ridiculous. It won't wash in a court of law, as Glenn has just said in the vid. A judge definitely said he knew what he was doing when he targeted others, after claiming he is not responsible for what his supporters do.

I'm not a Cheney fan on her previous record, but she has my admiration here for having the balls to stand up to the evil, cowardly bastard. He is just trying to muddy the waters here, after doing his usual shitty thing to incite his mob. Shameful.
In practice, he's adding to an atmosphere of threat around his many opponents and certainly 'rifles targeted on her face' is inflammatory. However I'm with Yossarian , in that I could well have come out with something similar about various politicians over the years. Maybe Glenn is right that this is part of a wider pattern of comments that breach his pre sentencing conditions, but I'm not convinced that those specific words were in of themselves criminal. And anyway, I'd rather he was imprisoned as a rapist than for any of this.
 
Anecdatum:

A US friend living in the midwest, who is highly intelligent, well educated, measured, elderly, passionately on the left, worked all his life in charities in the middle East (whose background is far more complicated than that) startled me when he said that if Trump gets in [note, 'gets in', not 'wins'] 'we're going to have to find ways of resisting a Trump presidency'.
He's always struck me as one to behave by the book - and yet armed resistance seems to be what he's suggesting.
Suggesting without actually saying it, iysim. I know him well enough.

Shudder.

FWIW (ie, nothing) I'm not expecting Trump to win anything, but to claim victory on Tuesday night and thereafter to claim fraud. I'm expecting Harris to win far bigger than polls have predicted. And for that to mean nothing.
 
He's always struck me as one to behave by the book - and yet armed resistance seems to be what he's suggesting.

it's crossed my mind too, though i've never laid a hand on a gun in my life.
democrats are bringing ballots to a gunfight. J6 was a dry run, as the c*nts themselves said.

FWIW (ie, nothing) I'm not expecting Trump to win anything, but to claim victory on Tuesday night and thereafter to claim fraud. I'm expecting Harris to win far bigger than polls have predicted.

right. it's well seen, the number of lawsuits that trumpers have prepared. but there is quite a track record of failure for them.
 
Hopefully more charges coming his way. These fucking sycophants twisting everything he says to defend the bastard are sick. He should be behind bars not running for office. He's free on bail, so every violation should have landed him in prison. Only a few more days and hopefully they can drag his sorry arse there when he's sentenced for some of his crimes.


I'm not convinced that more charges are really helpful, at least in the next 5 days. Almost certainly feeds into the grand persecution complex he's embedded into his own supporters. Talking about and attacking him using violent language against women may add to more women voters voting against him, even tying it the various accusations of abuse made against him. But getting the state to run with this probably doesn't help. If he loses, we'll see how things turn out. Could be less violent reaction than 2020 or could be more. Either way, he'll be headed for the inside of a court room at some point. Though... don't see him ever serving a day inside, sadly.
 
sad thing about the idea of people taking up arms against trump if he is elected
is it what most of this true base want a race and theological war within the united states
True. Talk about giving the 'exterminate all dem voters' contingent what they've been openly begging for to get the ball rolling on Civil war 2. OTOH, that side of the equation are also planning similarly. The trump lot really are a psychologically challenged shower of cunts.
 
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A US friend living in the midwest, who is highly intelligent, well educated, measured, elderly, passionately on the left, worked all his life in charities in the middle East (whose background is far more complicated than that) startled me when he said that if Trump gets in [note, 'gets in', not 'wins'] 'we're going to have to find ways of resisting a Trump presidency'.
He's always struck me as one to behave by the book - and yet armed resistance seems to be what he's suggesting.
Suggesting without actually saying it, iysim. I know him well enough.

Shudder.

FWIW (ie, nothing) I'm not expecting Trump to win anything, but to claim victory on Tuesday night and thereafter to claim fraud. I'm expecting Harris to win far bigger than polls have predicted. And for that to mean nothing.

I reckon there is a significant chance of civil war breaking out in the US - either from Trump supporters staging successful coups in state capitols after losing the election, or from resistance arising from Trump's mass deportations. An escalation of political violence to the point of a de-facto insurgency is quite plausible.

An attempt at contesting the election results should Trump lose is basically inevitable, we just need to hope it turns out to be a bit of a damp squib again.
 
I reckon there is a significant chance of civil war breaking out in the US - either from Trump supporters staging successful coups in state capitols after losing the election, or from resistance arising from Trump's mass deportations. An escalation of political violence to the point of a de-facto insurgency is quite plausible.

An attempt at contesting the election results should Trump lose is basically inevitable, we just need to hope it turns out to be a bit of a damp squib again.

Agreed. Trump will never concede defeat. Aside from his egomania, he has too much to lose - huge debts and multiple civil lawsuits and criminal prosecutions pending, the shield of presidential immunity is existential for him. He’s captured a mass base and the blind locality of the Republican Party too.
 
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Don't even try that bollox with me, If you think Pakistan is a well developed society then you need your head examined
Why mention Pakistan and not India?


A new World Health Organisation (WHO) report says more than half a billion people in India still "continue to defecate in gutters, behind bushes or in open water bodies, with no dignity or privacy".
 
I am not looking forward to this at all, it's been painful over the last few months, we're finally getting to the official election day, but it could be days or weeks later before we have the final result, then the fear of what will come next, Trump winning is certainly the scariest outcome, but the trouble he will stir up if he doesn't is also scary, what a fucking mess.

It's been a real rollercoaster ride, before Biden stood down I was resigned to the idea that Trump was going to win, all hope was drained from me, then Harris looked like a real game changer, and I started to think there was some hope, but the narrowing of the polls recently, despite all the fuckwitty from Trump, has left me in despair.

However, there seems to be various little things going on, that together, could be really positive. Sky News reporters across the pond are saying there's growing evidence of higher than normal turn-out amongst women and young voters in early voting, which sounds positive.

And, there's a couple of other things in the news today that has caught my eye this morning, firstly this from NBC on how the pollsters are using tools that could be over compensating for problems in the 2016 and 2020 polls. TBF it's full of 'ifs' and 'buts', however when read in conjunction with what Sky is reporting, it could prove interesting.


But the fact that so many polls are reporting the exact same margins and results raises a troubling possibility: that some pollsters are making adjustments in such similar ways that those choices are causing the results to bunch together, creating a potential illusion of certainty — or that some pollsters are even looking to others’ results to guide their own (i.e., “herding”). If so, the artificial similarity of polls may be creating a false impression that may not play out on Election Day. We could well be in for a very close election. But there’s also a significant chance one candidate or the other could sweep every swing state and win the presidency somewhat comfortably, at least compared to the evenly balanced picture in the polls.
Another more likely possibility is that some of the tools pollsters are using in 2024 to address the polling problems of 2020, such as weighting by partisanship, past vote or other factors, may be flattening out the differences and reducing the variation in reported poll results. The effect of such decisions is subtle, but important, because it means that the similarity of polls is being driven by the decisions of pollsters rather than voters.

Worth reading the full article.

Then there's this shock poll in Iowa, OK it's only one single poll, but apparently it's from Selzer who are "a widely respected polling organisation with a good record in Iowa."

A poll in Iowa that has unexpectedly put Kamala Harris ahead of Donald Trump in what was previously expected to be a safe state for the Republicans has sent shockwaves through America’s poll-watchers.

The Selzer poll carried out for the Des Moines Register newspaper showed Harris ahead of her Republican rival by three points.

Midwestern Iowa is not one of the seven battleground states of the 2024 election, which have consisted of the Rust belt states of Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania and the Sun belt states of Georgia, North Carolina, Nevada and Arizona.

While political experts and pollsters are very wary of putting too much store in any one single poll, Selzer is a widely respected polling organisation with a good record in Iowa. If Harris were even competitive in Iowa – which Trump won in both 2016 and 2020 – it could radically reshape the race.

The Selzer poll has Harris over Trump 47% to 44% among likely voters. A September poll showed Trump with a four-point lead over Harris and a June survey showed him with an 18-point lead over then-candidate Joe Biden.

“It’s hard for anybody to say they saw this coming,” pollster J Ann Selzer, president of Selzer & Co, told the Register. “She has clearly leaped into a leading position.”

The poll showed that women are driving the late shift toward Harris in the state. If true and borne out more widely, that would also be significant as the Harris campaign has focused on turning out women amid a broad gender gap with Republican-trending male voters. Harris and her campaign have focused on the overturning of federal abortion rights by the conservative-dominated US supreme court.

The reaction among pundits and pollsters was largely one of shock and surprise, though it was also pointed out that a rival polling group still had Trump leading in Iowa.

“This is a stunning poll. But Ann Seltzer [sic] has as stellar a record as any pollster of forecasting election outcomes in her state. Women are powering this surge. Portents for the country?” said David Axelrod, a former top aide to Barack Obama.

So, little flickers of hope! :)

 
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Then there's this shock poll in Iowa, OK it's only one single poll, but apparently it's from Selzer who are "a widely respected polling organisation with a good record in Iowa."
I have to say that this did give me a glimmer of hope. I had been trying to come to terms with an unfavourable outcome, but I can't help this poll injecting me a little bit of pep.
So, little flickers of hope! :)
I have found it amusing that the Democrats "What happens in the booth stays in the booth" campaign is being countered by Republicans basically saying "Keep an eye on your women".


Remember when Bush Jr said he believed humans and fish could coexist in peace and Dan Quale couldn't spell potato? Simpler times.
 
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