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[frogwoman]

Trying to get some support from the tradcaths maybe who don't even think he's a legitimate pope? While trying not to alienate Harris supporters and large numbers of Latinx Catholics

 

[Rob Ray]

Not being embedded in the Catholic faith I'd not want to try and sound knowledgable, but if Catholicism is anything like the CoE and other major denominations the main concern would simply be not to encourage schism.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

The Pope doesn't strike me as a stupid man, he's pitching on a question he knows has the possibility of alienating large numbers of the flock either way and has hedged by saying they're both shit. Trying to read a personal lean into it disregards the politics of his own postion.

Yes. And that's a mark of the shitness of the politics of his position.

 

[cupid_stunt]

USA Today has come up with this cracking article, well worth reading in full.

JD Vance ate my dog and Elon Musk ate my cat. Will Trump address this very real issue?​

Like Trump's claims about immigrants eating pets, my claims about Musk and Vance are supported by things I read on the internet. Fair's fair.

Given all the uproar over GOP presidential nominee Donald Trump’s baseless, utterly false and profoundly racist claims that Haitian immigrants are eating people’s pets in an Ohio town, I would likely to make a public statement that is supported by an equal amount of evidence:

“Not long ago, billionaire Elon Musk ate my cat, Mr. Smushyface. Days later, Donald Trump’s running mate, Sen. JD Vance of Ohio, stole and then barbecued and ate my dog, Zoe. I remained quiet about these incidents for fear other tech bros like Musk and Vance might come for my hamster, Dennis. But after much thoughts and prayer, I have decided to honor the memories of Zoe and Mr. Smushyface by letting the world know what I claim to be the truth.”

Here’s how this real-because-I-say-it-is story of Vance and Musk being ravenous pet devourers developed.

On Monday, I bravely posted the following on X, the social media cesspool formerly known as Twitter ‒ “True story: Elon Musk ate my cat. Please share your own story of Elon Musk eating your pet.”

The response was overwhelming and revealed my pet was far from the only victim of Musk’s decidedly un-American appetite. Others came out of the we’ve-lost-our-pets-to-hungry-tech-bros closet, with posts that included: “Elon Musk ate my precious bearded dragon Cupcake.”

There's as much evidence Musk ate my cat as there is immigrants ate pets. Posts on X containing false or inaccurate information are often corrected with a “community note.” No such note appeared on my post or on any of the replies, which I took as proof that it’s all 100% true.

Buoyed by the support of other victims, I posted an additional admission Thursday: “JD Vance ate my dog, Zoe. It's true, because I am posting it here.”

I added: “I fear there is widespread pet-eating in the tech-bro community. They're coming to our cities and towns, we don't know much about them, they bring radical new ideas about what they view as ‘free speech,’ and they are apparently eating our pets. This has to stop.”

 

[cupid_stunt]

Some up to date polling figures, these are national polls, and they all mainly hovering around the margin of error, but they are all pointing to a Harris lead, which is good news.

A Reuters/Ipsos poll, the first to be conducted since the debate, had Harris ahead by five points, 47 to 42%, a 1-point rise on the lead recorded in the week after last month’s Democratic national convention.

A separate Morning Consult survey published on Thursday showed a similar lead, 50 to 45%, up from the three- to four-point advantage Harris was registering before the debate. Tellingly, the poll reflected a loss of support for Trump, perhaps supporting some pollsters’ argument that his erratic performance in Tuesday’s encounter – which was watched by 67.1 million viewers – damaged his credibility.

Two other polls by YouGov and Leger give Harris a four- and three-point lead respectively. Generally, the post-debate polls present a rosier outlook for the vice-president than surveys beforehand, which suggested that the surge in popularity she experienced after replacing Joe Biden as the Democrats’ nominee had stalled, allowing Trump to draw close to even in national polls, and even edge ahead in one New York Times/Siena survey.

All available indicators suggest that the turnaround has been triggered by the events of the debate, where Harris was broadly seen as cutting a calm, controlled figure while getting under the skin of Trump – who repeatedly veered off policy message to go on wild tangents about immigrants and crowd sizes at his rallies.

While so far declining Harris’s challenge of a second debate, the former president nevertheless claims that he won the exchange.

Survey respondents beg to differ. The Reuters/Ipsos polls showed 53% who had heard something about the encounter believed that Harris had come out on top, as opposed to 24% thinking Trump had prevailed. The Morning Consult poll showed a similar margin, 55-25%, in favour of thinking Harris had won.

That is broadly in line with three earlier post-debate polls – conducted by CNN, YouGov and CNN – which gave Harris an average debate-winning margin of 23%.

Personally I am still hopeful, but nervous.

Harris regains small poll lead post-debate as US election inches closer

Harris, believed to be the debate winner, establishes crucial advantage over Trump ahead of the race’s final stretch

www.theguardian.com

 

[Petcha]

I cant get the chorus out of my head..

 

[cupid_stunt]

I hadn't actually heard of Laura Loomer until her name came up the other day, reading this article is like playing conspiracy theories bingo, she's a proper loon, and an out and out racist one too, no wonder people in GOP are getting nervous about Trump hanging out with her.

Laura Loomer, a notorious far-right conspiracy theorist long known for her outrageous comments, has regularly been seen close to Donald Trump in recent weeks – sparking anger among some of his most prominent supporters.

Online, she has been attacking his 2024 Democratic rival Kamala Harris with racial slurs — and upsetting several prominent MAGA supporters in the process.

Now Trump supporters like Marjorie Taylor Greene and Lindsey Graham – hardly strangers to controversy themselves – are sounding the alarm that Loomer’s influence could end up costing the Republican Party dearly.

I mean if those two are sounding the alarm, she's clearly dangerous, but at least we can live in hope that she'll damage the Trump campaign.

https://archive.ph/5bEs1

 

[two sheds]

Some up to date polling figures, these are national polls, and they all mainly hovering around the margin of error, but they are all pointing to a Harris lead, which is good news.







Personally I am still hopeful, but nervous.

Harris regains small poll lead post-debate as US election inches closer

Harris, believed to be the debate winner, establishes crucial advantage over Trump ahead of the race’s final stretch

www.theguardian.com

Do we know how they're both doing in the swing states? I see North Carolina's taking Kennedy off the ballot so screwing up the early voting.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Has Sabotaged Early Voting in a Critical Swing State

The North Carolina Supreme Court tossed a grenade into the state’s election on Monday.

www.yahoo.com

and again we don't know how well the republicans are doing taking people off the voting register, and how many voting stations in black areas are being closed down and how the trump vote counters and electors are going to be able to fix the votes.

 

[two sheds]

I hadn't actually heard of Laura Loomer until her name came up the other day, reading this article is like playing conspiracy theories bingo, she's a proper loon, and an out and out racist one too, no wonder people in GOP are getting nervous about Trump hanging out with her.



I mean if those two are sounding the alarm, she's clearly dangerous, but at least we can live in hope that she'll damage the Trump campaign.

https://archive.ph/5bEs1

they do seem a perfect match though, and does seem to fit that he listened to her before the debate rather than listening to his advisers. I wonder how obvious it's going to be if he's ditched melania and hooked up with her, and whether that'll affect swing voters.

 

[Wilf]

Where does the Catholic church stand on rape or fraud these days? Anyone know?

Indulgences - just need a donation to campaign funds.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Do we know how they're both doing in the swing states? I see North Carolina's taking Kennedy off the ballot so screwing up the early voting.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Has Sabotaged Early Voting in a Critical Swing State

The North Carolina Supreme Court tossed a grenade into the state’s election on Monday.

www.yahoo.com

and again we don't know how well the republicans are doing taking people off the voting register, and how many voting stations in black areas are being closed down and how the trump vote counters and electors are going to be able to fix the votes.

I can't find any recent polls in the swing states, perhaps some will be published over the weekend.

That North Carolina situation seems to be a proper mess, and as you say little is known about the details on voter suppression.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Do we know how they're both doing in the swing states?

Not polls, but I found this an interesting read from the Washington Post, explaining how few swing-states are actually in play, which states the two parties need, how they are targeting them., how much they are spending on the local campaigns, etc. But, the long story short, is it's going to be bloody close.

Democrats have spent the last year eyeing a familiar trio of northern states that would deliver the White House in November: Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania are the “clearest pathway” to victory, Vice President Kamala Harris’s campaign leaders wrote in July — as long as she also picks up a single electoral vote in the Omaha area.

The Trump team, meanwhile, has been focused on its own path in the Eastern time zone, a veritable “Red Wall” trifecta that overlaps with the northern “Blue Wall” around the Great Lakes.
“As long as we hold North Carolina, we just need to win Georgia and Pennsylvania,” a Trump campaign official told reporters last month in a strategy briefing. “That is all we need to win. So when everybody is running around with all the machinations, she’s still playing defense.”

“Pennsylvania and Georgia have taken center stage for the final act of this election,” said John Ashbrook, a Republican strategist. “The map becomes nearly impossible for Republicans without Georgia, and it becomes nearly impossible for Democrats without Pennsylvania.”

It basically seems to come down to just two states, with Pennsylvania being the big key, because it has 19 electoral college votes, Georgia has 16.

https://archive.ph/WU4El

 

[cupid_stunt]

This is frankly bonkers, how much time Musk spends on tweeting far-right and pro-Trump shite.

Over the next 24 hours, Musk will post over 145 times about a range of obsessions, projects and grievances to his 195 million followers. He will share anti-immigrant content, election conspiracies and attacks against the media. He will exchange tweets with far-right politicians, conservative media influencers and sycophantic admirers. He will send a litany of one-word replies that say “yeah”, “interesting” or simply feature a cry-laughing emoji.

A day in Elon Musk’s mind: 145 tweets with election conspiracies and emojis

A controversial tweet may make it to the news, but reading every post from the world’s richest man shows how frenzied and extreme he really is

www.theguardian.com

Luckily we don't actually have to spend a day in Elon Musk’s mind!

 

[a_chap]

I'd happily spend a day in musk's mind.

With an axe.

 

[redsquirrel]

I agree that assassinating isn't a great choice of words, but I don't think that should obscure his wider point.

"Isn't a great choice of words" - come on! It is reactionary sexist crap and deeply, deeply harmful. And rather contradicts the argument that you and others were making about how progressive the Catholic Church has become. Admittedly it might have shifted mildly on some issues but it is still hurting women (and men) at this time.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

"Isn't a great choice of words" - come on! It is reactionary sexist crap and deeply, deeply harmful. And rather contradicts the argument that you and others were making about how progressive the Catholic Church has become. Admittedly it might have shifted mildly on some issues but it is still hurting women (and men) at this time.

Yep. The head of the Catholic Church thinks abortion is murder. This goes way beyond the US. Millions of women in Catholic-majority countries continue to be denied autonomy over their own bodies, a situation that leads to illegal abortions and unnecessary deaths. The pope can fuck off.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

This shit reminds me of the blood libel in a way. Outlandish but someone is gonna believe it.

I heard someone the other day decribe it as "blood libel lite." Same taste as BL, fewer calories.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

I wonder what the christians wanting to ban divorce will say about that, if so ...

ah yes Fuck All, I remember now

There's a reason they focus so much on homosexuality. It allows them to point the "shame of sin" somewhere else than themselves.

 

[_Russ_]

I read the more detailed report on the BBC, and I certainly don't see it as encouraging a vote for Trump.

Pope urges Catholics to pick 'lesser evil' between Trump and Harris​

Can you explain how that is an instruction to vote for Trump, veiled or otherwise?

Do I really need to explain what is the worst of these 2 Evils in the long history of the Catholic church ?...Stopping migrants or killing babies?...hmm?

 

[_Russ_]

That's not the pope's position, though. Catholic church in general around the world has for decades and still does actively agitate for the banning of abortion for everyone. This Pope is no different.

Exactly, that there are some Catholics who don't agree with that does not change the fact that its a fundamental part of Catholic teachings and 100% the direction that the dope expects to be followed by its adherants

 

[two sheds]

You'd think the pope would be a bit interested in one side lying routinely while being hailed as the Second Coming of Christ. Clearly not bothered about blasphemy or the consistent breaking of pretty well all the commandments though.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

Where does the Catholic church stand on rape or fraud these days? Anyone know?

 

[Silas Loom]

You'd think the pope would be a bit interested in one side lying routinely while being hailed as the Second Coming of Christ. Clearly not bothered about blasphemy or the consistent breaking of pretty well all the commandments though.

That’s liberal Catholicism for you.

 

[two sheds]

From before, have we had this?

Analysis Shows Trump Loyalists Have 'Infiltrated' Election Boards in Key States | Common Dreams

"With 102 deniers on election boards in the swing states, the potential for creating chaos is enormous."

www.commondreams.org

More than 100 election officials across eight swing states in the U.S. presidential race have engaged in partisan election denial in recent years, raising fears they could try to turn the November result in favor of Republican nominee Donald Trump, according to a report released Friday.

The 88-page report, produced by the Center for Media and Democracy (CMD), details the election denial history of 102 county and state election officials in Arizona, Wisconsin, Georgia, Nevada, New Mexico, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, and Michigan. The authors found that election deniers have majority control of 15 county election boards in those states and of the statewide board in Georgia.

"What was striking to us about our research is how much election denialism and the voter fraud lie have infiltrated and taken over the Republican apparatus in each of these critical states," Arn Pearson, CMD's executive director, toldThe Guardian.

"With 102 deniers on election boards in the swing states, the potential for creating chaos is enormous," Pearson added.

 

[two sheds]

Hard to know whether posts should be in this thread or the ridicule one

 

[agricola]

That's not the pope's position, though. Catholic church in general around the world has for decades and still does actively agitate for the banning of abortion for everyone. This Pope is no different.

TBF the position of the Catholic church is somewhat to the left of some US state laws on abortion. A medical treatment required to save the life of / treat a serious illness of the mother that causes the fetus to die (as a result of that treatment) is not sinful, whereas it is illegal in some US states.

I am also Catholic and I also didn't read it as telling people to vote for Trump either, and of course Trump's own position is not to ban abortion (it is to have a federal ban on abortions after 15 weeks).

 

[littlebabyjesus]

TBF the position of the Catholic church is somewhat to the left of some US state laws on abortion. A medical treatment required to save the life of / treat a serious illness of the mother that causes the fetus to die (as a result of that treatment) is not sinful, whereas it is illegal in some US states.

I am also Catholic and I also didn't read it as telling people to vote for Trump either, and of course Trump's own position is not to ban abortion (it is to have a federal ban on abortions after 15 weeks).

Trump's position is to support states' rights to ban abortion completely in addition to a national ban on abortions after 15 weeks. A 15-week limit is already a massive restriction of a woman's autonomy and reproductive rights. It is still the state deciding that it gets to decide for women about their bodies.

It is very generous of the Catholic church to declare that a doctor saving a pregnant woman's life is not acting sinfully, though. Very big of them.

 

[tim]

And given a binary choice between fascism and communism, we know that this Pope chooses silence over the fascists' assassination of young people who advocate communism.

And that's me being charitable.

He did before the Jesuits sent him into internal exile for re-education. He's now a St Stepford pope.

Where Pope Francis Learned Humility

For the pontiff, being humble is less a character trait than a calculated choice.

www.theatlantic.com

 

[Nylock]

Some up to date polling figures, these are national polls, and they all mainly hovering around the margin of error, but they are all pointing to a Harris lead, which is good news.







Personally I am still hopeful, but nervous.

Harris regains small poll lead post-debate as US election inches closer

Harris, believed to be the debate winner, establishes crucial advantage over Trump ahead of the race’s final stretch

www.theguardian.com

Let's hope noone gets complacent. Clinton had a lead over trump all the way up to election day...

 

[Kaka Tim]

Let's hope noone gets complacent. Clinton had a lead over trump all the way up to election day...

clinton won the national vote - the polls were right - but trump won the electoral college - cos in built pro-republican bias