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Kaka Tim said:
Well it won't be via your condescending miserablism , thats for sure.
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That isn't any kind of answer. Do you see the current political divide in the US as surmountable? If so, how?

'Trump is a bad man and an idiot,' obviously has no effect.
 
Humberto said:
It won't be but the country is a reflection of it's people. They've lost the plot.
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The US is a political basket case, and no solutions are in view. Only economic prosperity seems to hold it together, and for the majority living standards continue to be eroded despite it. The predicament seems to explain why both Trump and his opponents are so desperate to thwart the rise of China. Perhaps this how the Pickman's Model world war of 2025 breaks out.

The switching between economically neo-liberal parties can't possibly overcome this.
 
RD2003 said:
That isn't any kind of answer. Do you see the current political divide in the US as surmountable? If so, how?

'Trump is a bad man and an idiot,' obviously has no effect.
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Well it does - like much of the rest of the world - a significent chunk of the american population think hes a total nightmare on legs. Which sets up a bitter confrontation with the MAGA wingnuts. Fuck knows what is going to happen - but it will be ugly. Especially if the cunt gets in again. You and Dwyer sneering at people who oppose him and fear the shit he brings in his wake is - perverse. Unless you actually support him.
 
Kaka Tim said:
Well it does - like much of the rest of the world - a significent chunk of the american population think hes a total nightmare on legs. Which sets up a bitter confrontation with the MAGA wingnuts. Fuck knows what is going to happen - but it will be ugly. Especially if the cunt gets in again. You and Dwyer sneering at people who oppose him and fear the shit he brings in his wake is - perverse. Unless you actually support him.
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I'm not sneering at anybody, but saying what you should (and actually do) know-that both sides are entrenched and will not give up their positions, and the result is an ongoing shitshow.

It doesn't matter how many Americans think Trump is a nightmare if they're matched by those who either love him or accept him as a lesser-evil.

None of this is my doing.
 
RD2003 said:
I'm not sneering at anybody, but saying what you should (and actually do) know-that both sides are entrenched and will not give up their positions, and the result is an ongoing shitshow.

It doesn't matter how many Americans think Trump is a nightmare if they're matched by those who either love him or accept him as a lesser-evil.

None of this is my doing.
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I'll stick to sneering at the side with actual fucking nazis on it's side the fucking gop

anyone still trying to paint it as well bad people on both side.

trump appealing to the right wing nutcase fringes who have been waiting the last 40 year for a race war in America

fuck him and them
 
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Ax^ said:
aye fucking right

Charlottesville being a fucking outliner for this cunt

the fella shite posting on truth and outside court talking about facing a black female judge so it a racist action as he is rich white billionaire

:hmm:
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We know all this, but neither highlighting it constantly, nor those acts in themselves, seems to be making a difference to his potential political comeback. And even if he ends up in jail he represents something that is not going away.
 
I think him appealing to the extremes of his own party and forgetting any middle ground is going to haunt him but we shall see how it plays out

political polling has been a shite show across the latest 12 years so we shall see

tbf if you are telling me to stop talking about American politics because I won't be able to find a solutions

let's forget about Ukraine as a counter point
 
Ax^ said:
I think him appealing to the extremes of his own party and forgetting any middle ground is going to haunt him but we shall see how it plays out

political polling has been a shite show across the latest 12 years so we shall see

tbf if you are telling me to stop talking about American politics because I won't be able to find a solutions

let's forget about Ukraine as a counter point
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Where have I said you should stop talking about anything? And how is the middle ground going to stop him, or the successors who will inevitably emulate him, possibly with more sophistication?

All of this is being reflected in Europe, where liberal outrage and a dazed left seems continually unable to stop right-wing populism?
 
moochedit said:
I think he owns a vegas casino.
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He lost control of his casinos and a significant part of his property empire to his major creditors (esp the banks) as part of the settlement for one or more of his previous bankruptcies - Beyond licencing the brand name, Trump's only continuing involvement is about the same level as a factor/managing agent.
 
RD2003 said:
Where have I said you should stop talking about anything? And how is the middle ground going to stop him, or the successors who will inevitably emulate him, possibly with more sophistication?

All of this is being reflected in Europe, where liberal outrage and a dazed left seems continually unable to stop right-wing populism?
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and of course we all should just roll over and let it happen right ?

or seak out the center ground :hmm:
 
Ax^ said:
and of course we all should just roll over and let it happen right ?

or seak out the center ground :hmm:
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The obsession with the centre ground seems to be a major cause of all this. The centre ground had it's heyday in the early-2000s, didn't it? We are now reaping the rewards, and there seems to be no going back, no matter how many Starmers or Macrons arise across Europe. Even when they succeed it seems likely to prove temporary.

We are in a new period, where nobody can predict the outcome. Like Lenin's (I think) 'era of war and revolutions'-only this time the revolutions carry not hope but either oligarch-friendly platitudes (the colour 'revolutions') or plain vindictiveness.
 
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RD2003 said:
Unfortunately, the views of people like you (and me) have no relevance to those who support him. Even when Trump is dead and somebody similar has come to take his place, they will continue to have no relevance.

This is what our future looks like.
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do you have a point in posting in this thread or is just till one of get bored enough to stop responding

:hmm:
 
hmm never said getting the centre ground was the answer

pointed out that trump forgetting that ever voting republican in the states is not mouth breathing foaming racist might hurt him come election time
just like the last vote


tbf most centralist at the moment are asshats who pretend to have no affinity to either side but only comment on the not right side of the argument

see the ukraine conflict for example
 
gosub said:
www.bloomberg.com

Almost Anyone Can Become the House Speaker, Except Donald Trump

Some Republicans favor an outsider to serve as the next US House speaker: Donald Trump.
www.bloomberg.com www.bloomberg.com



That strikes me as quite a sensible policy . Coz, given some of the charges Mr Trump is facing...put him 3rd in line really wouldn't be
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Maybe Trump will push to install Eric as speaker and run with Donald Jr. as VP so the presidential line of succession will be the same as the Trump line of succession minus Ivanka, who seems to have taken a step back from her terrible family
 
pesh said:
Probably better than your 'Bernard Manning was a good bloke' routine.
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Another one who, like the usual suspects, accuses you of saying what they want you to have said instead of what you did say.

We're supposed to discuss Trump here btw, not me. And it doesn't help when people bring in stuff from other threads.

Now, has anybody got anything to say other than 'Trump is nasty?' How about discussing the fact that what he represents is not going to fade away in the short or medium term-or even at all?
 
RD2003 said:
.... Now, has anybody got anything to say other than 'Trump is nasty?' How about discussing the fact that what he represents is not going to fade away in the short or medium term-or even at all?
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I disagree. The whole Trump/MAGA thing relies heavily on disinformation (either outright lies or distortions of facts to suit their agenda all spiced with a liberal helping of propaganda) utilising social media platforms. Over on the Rohingya thread I recently updated it with a link to a blog which provides compelling evidence that Meta/Facebook enabled genocide though inaction in curbing disinformation. If social media platforms are not going to behave responsibly in this respect then they should be compelled to do so either through legislation (difficult, I know because of the transnational nature of such platforms) and/or the threat of serious litigation with actual teeth. On top of this in relation to Trump/MAGA some people are very likely to do jail time over some of it, not the orange twat himself (although one can only but hope) but certainly people down the food chain. This is likely to have an effect of discouraging others from similar idiocies/unpleasantness.
 
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RD2003 said:
Would it help if I restricted myself to variations on 'That Trump, he's horrible, isn't he?'
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It would help if you said something original and interesting.

It's always variations on the same old stuff from you
 
tim said:
It would help if you said something original and interesting.

It's always variations on the same old stuff from you
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From somebody who seems to mainly offer variations on what to say about another poster instead of the subject.
 
teqniq said:
I disagree. The whole Trump/MAGA thing relies heavily on disinformation (either outright lies or distortions of facts to suit their agenda all spiced with a liberal helping of propaganda) utilising social media platforms. Over on the Rohingya thread I recently updated it with a link to a blog which provides compelling evidence that Meta/Facebook enabled genocide though inaction in curbing disinformation. If social media platforms are not going to behave responsibly in this respect then they should be compelled to do so either through legislation (difficult, I know because of the transnational nature of such platforms) and/or the threat of serious litigation with actual teeth. On top of this in relation to Trump/MAGA some people are very likely to do jail time over some of it, not the orange twat himself (although one can only but hope) but certainly people down the food chain. This is likely to have an effect of discouraging others from similar idiocies/unpleasantness.
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Do you honestly think this is all about people being lied to on the internet? The grievances that have culminated in the Trump phenomenon pre-date the internet as a mass thing. To the extent that the US is irretrievably divided.
 
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