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[Rompipalle]

You’ve misunderstood.

The post was disrespecting Melania, and it used the fact that she has posed for naked photos as one of her absurdities. Dystopiary called out that post. And then called you out for your laughing emoji.

Using the term slut-shaming is about using the language of the shamer as a mirror “see how ugly you’ve made it”

Nude modelling was literally part of her only bloody career. I've never referred to her as a slut - and nor would I.

However, I’m not required to commend or congratulate her for any of her life choices, including her choice of career or husband.

 

[Yossarian]

Needs the video, full seig heil

The Nerdemburg rally

 

[klang]

I know, it does seem alarmingly common to jump on other posters in this section, especially if they're "new."

maybe not ridiculing a poster for calling out sexist language would help. goes for everyone, new or not.

 

[story]

If you can’t see the issue with what was said and the response and you’re not prepared to at least give it some consideration I don’t reckon there’s much point in getting into a conversation about it.

You both seem pretty certain that there’s nothing wrong with your position. I’m not alone in saying there is a problem with your attitude towards women and sexism in general. I’ve spent a lot of time and energy posting on the various feminist /sexism /patriarchy threads and I can’t be arsed to do it again on a Trump thread.

 

[Dystopiary]

maybe not ridiculing a poster for calling out sexist language would help. goes for everyone, new or not.

It's not like there's any need to when calling out sexism gets reported out of spite.

 

[klang]

It's not like there's any need to when calling out sexism gets reported out of spite.

low innit

 

[Derek S-H]

maybe not ridiculing a poster for calling out sexist language would help. goes for everyone, new or not.

Sorry, what?

The OP used the phrase, "nude modelling", and this was jumped on as, "slut-shaming."

Which is sexist language here? I am ridiculing the hypocrisy, nothing more.

 

[editor]

I got reported for calling out sexism? On today of all days?

No, I'm trying to stop this thread being diverted into an extended bunfight between two posters. I'm not saying your concerns aren't legitimate, but there's a time and a place....

 

[Rompipalle]

FFS. Melania’s former career is a matter of record. It is a fact.

The person who attributed anything sexist about it and who used the term “ slut” was not me. It’s not a term I use to refer to any woman.

This is just more confected pearl-clutching and it’s all pretty bloody desperate stuff.

Grow up.

 

[editor]

Sorry, what?

The OP used the phrase, "nude modelling", and this was jumped on as, "slut-shaming."

Which is sexist language here? I am ridiculing the hypocrisy, nothing more.

You're not getting it and I don't think you're going to get it tonight. So I'm banning you off this thread - and only this thread - for 12 hours because it's getting hopelessly sidetracked.

 

[hitmouse]

hitmouse - this is how I read it.PTK started with:


Spy replied:


Must admit I only read the subhead to Spy's article because it looked paywalled but that seemed clear:

to which PTK acknowledged

I mean, I'd encourage reading past the subheading, I'm pretty sure the article is not paywalled. And describing it as attacking "gender ideology" rather than, for instance, attacking trans people, is a deliberate choice of framing, and one that's bollocks imo. Like, conservative Christianity is a form of gender ideology, it's an ideology that makes some pretty strong claims about gender, but I don't think Trump's going to be going after it any time soon.

 

[breadandcircuse]

Well I never! This popped up on my feed just now. It's only a few seconds long, but maybe this explains the orange thing's rambling. I can't decipher a Lynch film, but can you imagine that lunatic following one?

I hope Lynch was miffed there, and not a fan.

 

[klang]

The OP used the phrase, "nude modelling",

they didn't

 

[Rompipalle]

they didn't

You’re right.

I said took “I took my clothes off for money”. I assume it was not done for no remuneration

Did I suggest or imply that nude modelling it is not a legitimate way to earn a living or that it is something to be ashamed of?

No, I didn’t.

 

[Poot]

Ffs it's like the Daily Mail sidebar of shame. Can we leave melania alone?

 

[two sheds]

I mean, I'd encourage reading past the subheading, I'm pretty sure the article is not paywalled. And describing it as attacking "gender ideology" rather than, for instance, attacking trans people, is a deliberate choice of framing, and one that's bollocks imo. Like, conservative Christianity is a form of gender ideology, it's an ideology that makes some pretty strong claims about gender, but I don't think Trump's going to be going after it any time soon.

Yes fair enough - I've read it and it does adopt a wanky 'neutral' attitude where it should call it out as anti-trans.

Are we genuinely being asked to believe that Trump is going to deliver fairness and safety for women? Fucking seriously?

The article reports that as what the Trump mouthpiece said. Again you're right it should call it out as anti-trans.

SpyI think referred to it however to correct PTK's idea that "I don't know why he wants to issue an executive order about biological truths. Yes, there are only two sexes in human beings, and they cannot be changed. "

The bit I quoted clarifies what Trump is actually doing, rather than being "an executive order about biological truths". It's nothing to do with biological truths but actually: "The White House strikes out at gender ideology [yes again should label it as anti-trans but it's clear what it means] and pronouns. Also: ends housing of biological men in women’s prisons; self-ID on passports; and more."

 

[Yossarian]

This story goes into more detail about Trump's planned order and its effects:

In a long-anticipated move, agencies also will be ordered to stop interpreting sex discrimination laws in ways that protect trans people—inviting federal workplaces, schools, and social service programs like shelters to misgender and discriminate against trans people. Transgender women in federal prison reportedly will be transferred to men’s prisons and no longer provided with gender-affirming medical treatments—potentially forcing up to 1,500 incarcerated trans women to medically detransition.

The order is expected to attempt to cut off federal funding for gender-affirming medical treatments like hormone therapy—a move that primarily affects transgender adults. About 276,000 trans adults are on Medicaid, which uses a combination of federal and state funding, raising the possibility that Medicaid coverage for gender-affirming care will be preserved in the roughly half of states that cover it. Other trans adults rely on Medicare, which covers hormone therapy as well as surgery on a case-by-case basis, and the Department of Veterans Affairs, which covers nonsurgical gender-affirming treatments. These treatments, which research suggests improve quality of life and mental health and reduce suicidality, are now in jeopardy.

Trump declares war on transgender people

"We are not going anywhere, and we will fight back against these harmful provisions with everything we’ve got."

www.motherjones.com

 

[story]

Probably. But the point is that Melania is judged as some sort of decoration. It's ant-feminist and sort of weird that she's there at all.

Do you mean “there” at the inauguration?

It’s standard for the spouse to be standing alongside.

The First Lady thing is a big deal over there. If Melania stands out for anything it’s her relative absence from that. The position holds potential power, and certainly influence. And the First Lady is not always the wife (has been a niece and a daughter).

Eta
It’s largely ceremonial, and hidebound to a large extent, because the first duty is as “hostess” which presupposes that the president is the host. If Kamala had won, there would have a been debate and hoo-ha about who the male equivalent might have been and his title, but I have no doubt that some kind of counterpart would be alongside her to hold that position.

 

[Rebecca Riot]

Ten o'clock news reporting Trump's claim that he's going to take back the Panama canal. Can he actually do that when it was handed back to the Panamanians in the 1970s?

 

[two sheds]

This story goes into more detail about Trump's planned order and its effects:

In a long-anticipated move, agencies also will be ordered to stop interpreting sex discrimination laws in ways that protect trans people—inviting federal workplaces, schools, and social service programs like shelters to misgender and discriminate against trans people. Transgender women in federal prison reportedly will be transferred to men’s prisons and no longer provided with gender-affirming medical treatments—potentially forcing up to 1,500 incarcerated trans women to medically detransition.

The order is expected to attempt to cut off federal funding for gender-affirming medical treatments like hormone therapy—a move that primarily affects transgender adults. About 276,000 trans adults are on Medicaid, which uses a combination of federal and state funding, raising the possibility that Medicaid coverage for gender-affirming care will be preserved in the roughly half of states that cover it. Other trans adults rely on Medicare, which covers hormone therapy as well as surgery on a case-by-case basis, and the Department of Veterans Affairs, which covers nonsurgical gender-affirming treatments. These treatments, which research suggests improve quality of life and mental health and reduce suicidality, are now in jeopardy.

Trump declares war on transgender people

"We are not going anywhere, and we will fight back against these harmful provisions with everything we’ve got."

www.motherjones.com

yep much clearer and more detail.

 

[story]

Ten o'clock news reporting Trump's claim that he's going to take back the Panama canal. Can he actually do that when it was handed back to the Panamanians in the 1970s?

Yeah, there’s already some confusion about what he said and what he means. I reckon he went off script when he said “take it back” but I also think there’s been back room chat about how it’s a good idea to get a-hold of it, cos of his intentions with tarrifs.

Remember that he slips these comments in from time to time to see what the response will be. Policy then gets developed around the way it’s received.

 

[Yossarian]

It’s largely ceremonial, and hidebound to a large extent, because the first duty is as “hostess” which presupposes that the president is the host. If Kamala had won, there would have a been debate and hoo-ha about who the male equivalent might have been and his title, but I have no doubt that some kind of counterpart would be alongside her to hold that position.

Her husband Doug Emhoff was known as the Second Gentleman, if Harris had won he'd have been promoted to First Gentleman

 

[story]

Her husband Doug Emhoff was known as the Second Gentleman, if Harris had won he'd have been promoted to First Gentleman

Thank you. If I knew that I’d forgotten.

 

[breadandcircuse]

Ten o'clock news reporting Trump's claim that he's going to take back the Panama canal. Can he actually do that when it was handed back to the Panamanians in the 1970s?

This is the lying conman who was banging on about stopping wars, but is trying to aggressively annex Greenland, Canada, and is poking at Panama to steal their property. I showed a vid recently where Panamanians were burning US flags and telling him to fuck off.

He is trying out his Adolf phase. I just hope he gets his arse kicked.

 

[story]

This is the lying conman who was banging on about stopping wars, but is trying to aggressively annex Greenland, Canada, and is poking at Panama to steal their property. I showed a vid recently where Panamanians were burning US flags and telling him to fuck off.

He is trying out his Adolf phase. I just hope he gets his arse kicked.

It will all be done as business deals. He’s already been laying the groundwork for getting Greenland

Up to Greenland to decide its future, Danish PM tells Trump

In her call with Trump, Mette Frederiksen also reiterated the Greenland PM's comments that it was "not for sale"

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Spymaster]

Ten o'clock news reporting Trump's claim that he's going to take back the Panama canal. Can he actually do that when it was handed back to the Panamanians in the 1970s?

Not legally. He'd have to invade them and given that Panama retained the canal after the yanks last invaded them, that probably wouldn't work out long-term either.

It's his way of doing business. Say some mad shit to get the ball rolling and see if it wins some concessions. Like his Greenland nonsense.

 

[Everything Goes]

Ffs it's like the Daily Mail sidebar of shame. Can we leave melania alone?

 

[Elpenor]

Yes. You are. Like many others you’re live blogging a ceremony. I’m baffled why you’d want to, and I’m expressing that bafflement.

I didn’t even attend my own graduations, never mind sit through an inauguration ceremony. Anyone’s. Never mind Trump’s.

One of the things that I’ve noticed is that I visit this thread far less frequently, because there’s now an absolute flood of live blogging of his every burp. Which must be wonderful for those who want to wallow in the pain. I’d rather not. But it takes all sorts.

This thread belongs in the Tattle Life forums

 

[Elpenor]

Know your enemy.

Does this enemy consist of around 50% of American voters ?

 

[Elpenor]

I got reported for calling out sexism? On today of all days?

The urban Overton window must have shifted