danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
I have it on DVD. It doesn't stand the test of time very well. New Who at its best is much, much better.
Doctor Who Series 8
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8den
No I'm pretty sure that was 8ball...
I have to admit the rise in production values over the years is astonishing. The usual rule with American TV is if you have a successful 1st series they add 10% to your budget for your 2nd, and in Britain they cut 10% of your budget (hoping you'll manage the same level of success on that budget).
Who's consistently looked better and better and I speak as someone who has had budgetary bunfights with the VFX companies behind Who.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
To be fair, it was only meant to be watched once. It was made on a shoestring (often using actual shoestrings). The aim was to create an impression, for it to be seen once, and if you missed it you missed it.
Not to be pored over and re-examined in detail.
Capaldi says as much in his RT interview. I agree with him.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Oh, right.
My kids watched "Rose" on Sunday. Plastic Rickey and the wheelie bin looked ancient.
8den
No I'm pretty sure that was 8ball...
Well Plastic Rickey and the Wheelie bin looked shit even by 2002 standards.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Although, it is an excellent name for a band.
fucthest8
Cool people die horrible, preventable deaths.
Although, it is an excellent name for a band.
Also a nicely confusing tagline. Ta dah.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
In my universe, Rose's Dad is still alive.
New Who just needs to get back to telling stories. Each week a cool story, or perhaps a zwei parter (i like the serial format of old - Genesis amounts to a 3 hour movie!). If one week the adventure about victorian shennaigans doesn't satisfy then you get the promise of next week's deeps space terrors as something different.
All that has been abanoned so far by Moffat. Give me the Impossible Planet not the IMpossible Girl.
That was a scary episode! But nothing beats Kinda (yabo shakey!)/Snakedance for freakout weird horro! Those two creeped me the fuck out as a kid; Teegan thinks she's over it and then they reprise it with Snakedance! Boom! Terrified!
Davidson's run was decent - we even got an Omeag episode! Where's Omega nowwadays? Fucking awesome villain!
In conclusion: Tom Baker's grin is the greatest thing on earth.
All that has been abanoned so far by Moffat. Give me the Impossible Planet not the IMpossible Girl.
That was a scary episode! But nothing beats Kinda (yabo shakey!)/Snakedance for freakout weird horro! Those two creeped me the fuck out as a kid; Teegan thinks she's over it and then they reprise it with Snakedance! Boom! Terrified!
Davidson's run was decent - we even got an Omeag episode! Where's Omega nowwadays? Fucking awesome villain!
In conclusion: Tom Baker's grin is the greatest thing on earth.
Her accent in the trailer is horrific!
8den
No I'm pretty sure that was 8ball...
It's unspeakable.
Wasn't that from a dr Who novel?
8den
No I'm pretty sure that was 8ball...
Adapted from.
8den
No I'm pretty sure that was 8ball...
The bloody soundtrack volume is more terrifying
And the head spin from John Barrowman et all is terrible.
spanglechick
High Empress of Dressing Up
just seen it - was on holiday.
there was a lot i liked. much of the character's existential stuff seemed to be in response to the wrong turns the show has been taking. I liked the 'i'm not your boyfriend' stuff - with the acknowledgement that it wasn't necessarily clara but the doctor himself who had taken that role.... hinted at earlier by Vastra when she said to Clara that the younger faces were the doctor flirting and wanting to be accepted. which is quite neatly circular in explaining why Tennant's doc was such a romeo, and why even Smith's was romantically aware.
I thought the slapstick was a bit too much in places. Vastra send the doctor to sleep and he hits the mattress with a "boinnng" sound effect.... something similar as he falls down through the tree. Another thing i can't quite remember... and so I thought: well maybe this is Moffat making it 'for the children'. But then it became much more subtle and clever. so in retrospect - the slapstick seems dischordant. speaking of which, when clara flicked he sonic screwdriver up with her feet - are we supposed to thing she hit him in the bollocks with it? it seemed a bit of an odd gag for Dr Who - especially capaldi's doctor.
Speaking of that - loved him. I liked the acknowledgement that this face keeps showing up in Doctor who's reality... and the 'choosing a face' aspect made nice validation of what Tom Baker's curator had said at the end of the anniversary episode. I did lose the ends of some of his lines, which is a sound recording/mixing issue, i think. I mean, Capaldi speaks fast and in quite dynamic volume patterns, but audibility should be fixed in the edit - even if he has to come back and loop the dialogue.
Slightly better writing for women, but Vastra was doing that aggressive flirting that River and Amy both had as the sum of their personalities. Moffat really does have a certain type of behaviour he finds attractive in women, doesn't he? anway, hopefully the divinely loopy Michele Gomez will get a character with more to her, and once Clara's stopped acting like a dumped 17 year old, she'll be able to come into her own, too. Btw - anyone else think that when Strax read her mind she was imagining male gay porn?
there was a lot i liked. much of the character's existential stuff seemed to be in response to the wrong turns the show has been taking. I liked the 'i'm not your boyfriend' stuff - with the acknowledgement that it wasn't necessarily clara but the doctor himself who had taken that role.... hinted at earlier by Vastra when she said to Clara that the younger faces were the doctor flirting and wanting to be accepted. which is quite neatly circular in explaining why Tennant's doc was such a romeo, and why even Smith's was romantically aware.
I thought the slapstick was a bit too much in places. Vastra send the doctor to sleep and he hits the mattress with a "boinnng" sound effect.... something similar as he falls down through the tree. Another thing i can't quite remember... and so I thought: well maybe this is Moffat making it 'for the children'. But then it became much more subtle and clever. so in retrospect - the slapstick seems dischordant. speaking of which, when clara flicked he sonic screwdriver up with her feet - are we supposed to thing she hit him in the bollocks with it? it seemed a bit of an odd gag for Dr Who - especially capaldi's doctor.
Speaking of that - loved him. I liked the acknowledgement that this face keeps showing up in Doctor who's reality... and the 'choosing a face' aspect made nice validation of what Tom Baker's curator had said at the end of the anniversary episode. I did lose the ends of some of his lines, which is a sound recording/mixing issue, i think. I mean, Capaldi speaks fast and in quite dynamic volume patterns, but audibility should be fixed in the edit - even if he has to come back and loop the dialogue.
Slightly better writing for women, but Vastra was doing that aggressive flirting that River and Amy both had as the sum of their personalities. Moffat really does have a certain type of behaviour he finds attractive in women, doesn't he? anway, hopefully the divinely loopy Michele Gomez will get a character with more to her, and once Clara's stopped acting like a dumped 17 year old, she'll be able to come into her own, too. Btw - anyone else think that when Strax read her mind she was imagining male gay porn?
be interesting to see how the daleks react to a) a new regeneration and b) 'doctor who?'
Vintage Paw
dead stare and computer glare
That was for the new teenage audience that got all fannish with eleven. A lot of the dialogue was for them. Including the 'I'm not your boyfriend' stuff.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
mcoy on UKGold 
Battlfield, Hapiness Patrol, Gretaest S
It was off 'At least I think you could call it exercising'
because all thats going on in claras brain is 'Twinks n Bears 5'
Battlfield, Hapiness Patrol, Gretaest S
It was off 'At least I think you could call it exercising'
because all thats going on in claras brain is 'Twinks n Bears 5'
Vintage Paw
dead stare and computer glare
I preface my opinions on the episode by saying I'm Moffat's harshest critic, I hate the cunt.
I really loved the episode. I really like Capaldi's doctor. I was perfectly happy with his loopy stuff at the beginning. The stuff with the old tramp dude felt slightly menacing, I like menacing. I loved it when he abandoned Clara. I mean, yeah, he came back, but that moment was great. I loved the ambiguity at the end when you don't know whether he pushed him or whether he jumped (blates jumped). One of the things that I really didn't like about eleven was that he was basically a good time charlie with little thought for consequences - one of the most jarring episodes for me was the one where Diana Rigg falls down the stairs at the end, and eleven's all like, "oops, lol!" What? That's your reaction? Fuck off.
So I'm glad to see a return to a bit of a conversation about to kill or not to kill. Whatever you think about ten, I liked the way that sort of thing was dealt with. With eleven it felt more like they were just the Scooby gang heading off for hijinks. So, more of this kind of thing from Saturday's episode, please.
There was an awful lot about boyfriends - I'm not your boyfriend (to Clara), he's my boyfriend (from Missy). The former was, at least in part, aimed at the new teenage audience who got into the programme during eleven's stint - I'd even go as far as to say specifically the American teenage audience. In the weeks leading up to the start of the new series they did a MASSIVE promo tour of America. They court the audience there like they've never done here. And it is a big audience for them. Who is a different beast than it was back in the day, and since nine and ten were in the role. When we say he's writing for the audience, that audience isn't British mums and dads and their kids sitting in front of their tellies with their tea on their knee. Not only them, anyway. It's also armies of teenage girls who spend 8 hours a day reblogging gifs on tumblr. There's nothing wrong with the audience having evolved, but we have to expect different things as a result.
Aaaanyway, I found the 'I'm not your boyfriend' stuff pretty good, although I thought it went on a bit. Clara's role was greatly improved upon and she started to become the character I wish she'd been since her first episode. I'd rather companions be there to experience the adventures on our behalf and to help the doctor solve the problems, rather than being the problem that exists solely to be solved. That's especially annoying when you take into consideration Moffat's fucked up ideas about women and what they are as foreign objects of frustration and confusion to him. They are mothers or girlfriends or femme fatales or problems that require solving or fixing. I liked the stuff with Vastra and Jenny and it made them seem more like real people in a relationship (he has a rather difficult history with how he writes gay people too). However, he seemed to feel the need to throw in all that stuff about flirting, because I guess lesbians when they are around other women only have one thing on their mind, right? That was his male fantasy/inability to imagine women problem coming to the fore.
Back to the boyfriend thing: my heart sank when Missy said 'he's my boyfriend'. We've just been through all this stuff that seemingly divorces Capaldi from the old bullshit that pervaded every script over the course of eleven's stint (and Rose and Martha), where everyone's in love with him and women can't possibly have any kind of platonic relationship with him because secretly they all want in his pants... and then we get this potentially really interesting baddie at the end whose only hint at their relationship to the doctor and their motivation is 'he's my boyfriend'.
And I took it that we're meant to see her as a bit insane, so there goes the crazy woman chasing the poor man she can't have analogy as well. I really, really hope this storyline surprises me and it isn't the shower of misogynistic shite I'm expecting it to be, because this first episode felt like a renewal in more ways than one -- but sadly my absolute hatred of the old, bitter cunt means I have little faith.
And frankly, he only named her Missy so he can sit back and chauvinistically chuckle when he gets the Doctor to say, "now look here, Missy." Cunt.
I loved the new opening. It seems I'm in a minority there, but I thought the music was great.
Strax was wonderful. I was glad there was no bullying bullshit from the doctor like there was with eleven. His 'melt him with acid' bit was perfect. I was more than happy with the slapstick stuff, it doesn't usually bother me. I was shocked when we saw the dinosaur get burned to death. Again with the menacing and dark. I like that.
The plot itself, with the robots looking for paradise... meh. But to be honest I saw it more just like the hook on which to hang the introduction of Capaldi, and the episode worked as a whole for me. I'm less excited about the Daleks - they feel far too overused and I was never fully convinced of the way he brought them back seemingly from absolute extinction without ever really feeling the need to explain properly just why there were suddenly thousands of them again. To be honest at this point the Daleks bore me, and I'm sad about that because they used to feel epic.
So, overall I loved it. There's a lot to be excited about. Capaldi is great (I had problems hearing his dialogue at times too - I chuckled at the thought of all the Americans being confused as fuck about what he was saying). Strax, Vastra and Jenny should have their own show. Clara was the best we've ever seen her. I remain cautiously optimistic about the rest of the series, while not completely shedding those concerns about Moffat's ability to not be a sexist cuntwaffle.
9.5/10.
I really loved the episode. I really like Capaldi's doctor. I was perfectly happy with his loopy stuff at the beginning. The stuff with the old tramp dude felt slightly menacing, I like menacing. I loved it when he abandoned Clara. I mean, yeah, he came back, but that moment was great. I loved the ambiguity at the end when you don't know whether he pushed him or whether he jumped (blates jumped). One of the things that I really didn't like about eleven was that he was basically a good time charlie with little thought for consequences - one of the most jarring episodes for me was the one where Diana Rigg falls down the stairs at the end, and eleven's all like, "oops, lol!" What? That's your reaction? Fuck off.
So I'm glad to see a return to a bit of a conversation about to kill or not to kill. Whatever you think about ten, I liked the way that sort of thing was dealt with. With eleven it felt more like they were just the Scooby gang heading off for hijinks. So, more of this kind of thing from Saturday's episode, please.There was an awful lot about boyfriends - I'm not your boyfriend (to Clara), he's my boyfriend (from Missy). The former was, at least in part, aimed at the new teenage audience who got into the programme during eleven's stint - I'd even go as far as to say specifically the American teenage audience. In the weeks leading up to the start of the new series they did a MASSIVE promo tour of America. They court the audience there like they've never done here. And it is a big audience for them. Who is a different beast than it was back in the day, and since nine and ten were in the role. When we say he's writing for the audience, that audience isn't British mums and dads and their kids sitting in front of their tellies with their tea on their knee. Not only them, anyway. It's also armies of teenage girls who spend 8 hours a day reblogging gifs on tumblr. There's nothing wrong with the audience having evolved, but we have to expect different things as a result.
Aaaanyway, I found the 'I'm not your boyfriend' stuff pretty good, although I thought it went on a bit. Clara's role was greatly improved upon and she started to become the character I wish she'd been since her first episode. I'd rather companions be there to experience the adventures on our behalf and to help the doctor solve the problems, rather than being the problem that exists solely to be solved. That's especially annoying when you take into consideration Moffat's fucked up ideas about women and what they are as foreign objects of frustration and confusion to him. They are mothers or girlfriends or femme fatales or problems that require solving or fixing. I liked the stuff with Vastra and Jenny and it made them seem more like real people in a relationship (he has a rather difficult history with how he writes gay people too). However, he seemed to feel the need to throw in all that stuff about flirting, because I guess lesbians when they are around other women only have one thing on their mind, right? That was his male fantasy/inability to imagine women problem coming to the fore.
Back to the boyfriend thing: my heart sank when Missy said 'he's my boyfriend'. We've just been through all this stuff that seemingly divorces Capaldi from the old bullshit that pervaded every script over the course of eleven's stint (and Rose and Martha), where everyone's in love with him and women can't possibly have any kind of platonic relationship with him because secretly they all want in his pants... and then we get this potentially really interesting baddie at the end whose only hint at their relationship to the doctor and their motivation is 'he's my boyfriend'.
And I took it that we're meant to see her as a bit insane, so there goes the crazy woman chasing the poor man she can't have analogy as well. I really, really hope this storyline surprises me and it isn't the shower of misogynistic shite I'm expecting it to be, because this first episode felt like a renewal in more ways than one -- but sadly my absolute hatred of the old, bitter cunt means I have little faith.And frankly, he only named her Missy so he can sit back and chauvinistically chuckle when he gets the Doctor to say, "now look here, Missy." Cunt.
I loved the new opening. It seems I'm in a minority there, but I thought the music was great.
Strax was wonderful. I was glad there was no bullying bullshit from the doctor like there was with eleven. His 'melt him with acid' bit was perfect. I was more than happy with the slapstick stuff, it doesn't usually bother me. I was shocked when we saw the dinosaur get burned to death. Again with the menacing and dark. I like that.
The plot itself, with the robots looking for paradise... meh. But to be honest I saw it more just like the hook on which to hang the introduction of Capaldi, and the episode worked as a whole for me. I'm less excited about the Daleks - they feel far too overused and I was never fully convinced of the way he brought them back seemingly from absolute extinction without ever really feeling the need to explain properly just why there were suddenly thousands of them again. To be honest at this point the Daleks bore me, and I'm sad about that because they used to feel epic.
So, overall I loved it. There's a lot to be excited about. Capaldi is great (I had problems hearing his dialogue at times too - I chuckled at the thought of all the Americans being confused as fuck about what he was saying). Strax, Vastra and Jenny should have their own show. Clara was the best we've ever seen her. I remain cautiously optimistic about the rest of the series, while not completely shedding those concerns about Moffat's ability to not be a sexist cuntwaffle.
9.5/10.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
we've already bought and paid for it through the license here I suppose. Whereas yankdem will have to pay for it on BBC America.
ooh, and merch of course. Merch sales in a single large state could dwarf english sales. I hope the bring out some epic tat for americans that I can get on ebay. This is by far the cheekiest cunt of a doctor who toy:
remember this? the last human?
well heres the 'destroyed Cassandra' toy:
IT'S JUST AN EMPTY FRAME!
ooh, and merch of course. Merch sales in a single large state could dwarf english sales. I hope the bring out some epic tat for americans that I can get on ebay. This is by far the cheekiest cunt of a doctor who toy:
remember this? the last human?
well heres the 'destroyed Cassandra' toy:
IT'S JUST AN EMPTY FRAME!
Vintage Paw
dead stare and computer glare
Thinking about it, that 'I'm not your boyfriend' stuff could be viewed positively (when you look at him saying he was the one who is to blame) or negatively.
Negatively because Moffat's a condescending fuckknuckle when it comes to large parts of the audience (teenage girls and/or anyone who criticises him), and you could see it as him looking down on all the girls who fancied Smith/eleven and who spend infinite amounts of time writing fanfic and drawing fanart and creating gif sets. Without them he wouldn't have half the market he does to peddle his merch.
Negatively because Moffat's a condescending fuckknuckle when it comes to large parts of the audience (teenage girls and/or anyone who criticises him), and you could see it as him looking down on all the girls who fancied Smith/eleven and who spend infinite amounts of time writing fanfic and drawing fanart and creating gif sets. Without them he wouldn't have half the market he does to peddle his merch.
TheHoodedClaw
acknowledging ur soup leg
*dons pedant fez*
Not really, the most populous state, California, is less populous than England alone.
I am a bit amazed by the popularity of Who over there - front cover of Entertainment Weekly etc. I really hope that the US demographic isn't catered for too much though.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
second biggest beeb import after Top Gear apparently. I read somewhere that (as with Game of Thrones) the bods who research this stuff have found that fantasy/sf done with british accents plays really well in america. Because its different enough to encourage that sense of the uncanny and the not-of-this-orld, but its not subtitles either
Vintage Paw
dead stare and computer glare
http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/introducing-the-gatekeeper-who-is-she-65885.htm
A few theories as to who Missy is.
The author's theory about her being Clara is exactly something I could imagine Moffat doing and I would gladly see him pushed into a vat of his own excrement for it. It has exactly the kind of 'it all ties back up neatly together if you don't think too hard about it' thing he loves as it reinforces his own self-satisfied and inflated ego. (Did I mention I don't like him?) It also gives him an opportunity to ensure Clara isn't allowed to be anything other than a fucking problem to solve, yet again.
However, lots and lots of people in the comments making convincing arguments about her being the valeyard.
A few theories as to who Missy is.
The author's theory about her being Clara is exactly something I could imagine Moffat doing and I would gladly see him pushed into a vat of his own excrement for it. It has exactly the kind of 'it all ties back up neatly together if you don't think too hard about it' thing he loves as it reinforces his own self-satisfied and inflated ego. (Did I mention I don't like him?) It also gives him an opportunity to ensure Clara isn't allowed to be anything other than a fucking problem to solve, yet again.
However, lots and lots of people in the comments making convincing arguments about her being the valeyard.
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