stupid dogbot
Haughty and Superior
Well, he is the self-proclaimed arbiter of everything, in fairness to him. 
Do you consider yourself an audiophile?
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ATOMIC SUPLEX
Member Since: 1985 Post Count: 3
Yes well like I say, you can't really argue the toss on actual science fact. There is no 'give'
Fictionist
Serving Eargasms....
I like this thread. So tell me y'all (to use Dogbot's vernacular) - what system do you listen to at home?
Fictionist
Serving Eargasms....
Well, he is the self-proclaimed arbiter of everything, in fairness to him.
Stupid by name.......
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
In what way is that relevant?
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
I like this thread. So tell me y'all (to use Dogbot's vernacular) - what system do you listen to at home?
bits n bobs of inherited cast-me-downs. a rotel here, a jvc there, an eclipse over there
Apathy
Roll us yer cap Grandad!!
im confused now
i really don't know shit about this kind of thing, but im after an amp to go with my b&w speakers. And so I just search around on google for ideas and opinions and the same three amps keep cropping up, Rotel ra, Nad and Arcam. These 3 amps will best suit the b&w speakers apparently. So a lot of people keep saying.. why is that? and if its all just about some very minute differences in the specs/and or sound - would u reccommend i just save my money and carry on just using the old kenwood amp ive already got??
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
I like this thread. So tell me y'all (to use Dogbot's vernacular) - what system do you listen to at home?
I refer the gentleman to my reply of yesterday.
"Does it matter? If you're like most audiophiles/people who believe they can tell the difference between interconnects, you'll spout some blather about how my kit is too "consumer-market" to be able to appreciate the subtle differences of the interconnects."
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
im confused now
The only really important bit with amps is that they provide sufficient power for the speakers you have. The make is irrelevant. You'll read all sorts of guff in the hifi mags about one brand or another having "forward presentation" or "involving dynamics", ignore the lot, it's utter bollocks.
If the Kenwood amp you have is sufficiently powerful for the B&Ws save your money, or spend it on a big pile of new CDs
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
It's not.
Like most audiophiles, he's looking for a hook to hang a "but you couldn't possibly appreciate the subtlety of the interconnects with a set-up like that" argument from.
Oh come on Bees. I'm no confessed audiophile but even I feel compelled to mention that there's more to the sound of an amplifier than its power output.
Speakers remain far more important to me admittedly, but some amplifier brands just tend to sound leaner than others. In real world listening conditions, it's often how the whole set up sounds at comparatively low volumes and so on.
Speakers remain far more important to me admittedly, but some amplifier brands just tend to sound leaner than others. In real world listening conditions, it's often how the whole set up sounds at comparatively low volumes and so on.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
you guys are talking a different language! lean? bright? adjectives that don't make any sense when applied to sound.
stupid dogbot
Haughty and Superior
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
Unless you're talking about ones with valves in, I'd bet a pint that you can't tell any difference in an ABX/blind test, once the two being compared have been level matched to within 0.5dB...
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
Exactly. Yet the hifi mags/forums are full of this shite.
Fictionist
Serving Eargasms....
Far, far less of a sad, no-mates twat than you by nature.
You think? You'll be attempting to lecture me on Hip Hop next you amateur.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
You think? You'll be attempting lto lecture me on Hip Hop next you amateur.
Any chance you can find something vaguely resembling evidence that different cables can make a difference to the sound?
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
All my stuff is of good quality, but most of it is old (although regularly serviced), some of it over 40 years old.
Fictionist
Serving Eargasms....
But YOU think all amplifiers and cd players sound the same (and any differences are too small to notice!!)
stupid dogbot
Haughty and Superior
You think? You'll be attempting to lecture me on Hip Hop next you amateur.
No, no I won't.
Well done, you've WON your self-proclaimed Hip Hop willy waving war, by defeating someone who doesn't care less.
Cool, this clearly makes you far less of a sad old cunt... *snicker*
Fictionist
Serving Eargasms....
My ears. Golden ears. Not deaf. Try the test with the cables I mentioned (for very specific reasons).
I'd take you up on that pint bet fwiw. I can't for a second buy into geeky audiophile excursions, nor claim to identify brand tonality with casual ease, but I have and can swapped in various amps of seemingly identical power outputs over the years with clear enough differences in bass weight and tightness. No idea why - they just sounded different for some reason.
Fictionist
Serving Eargasms....
No, no I won't.
Well done, you've WON your self-proclaimed Hip Hop willy waving war, by defeating someone who doesn't care less.
Cool, this clearly makes you far less of a sad old cunt... *snicker*
You are becoming increasingly tiresome. Putting the issue of your apparent deafness to one side - when did you last have sex with a (live) human being?!
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
OK, try this.
Take 2 CD players. Record the same track playing on each into Cubase or similar. Line them up precisely. Invert the polarity of one track. Press play.
Then tell me what you hear.
stupid dogbot
Haughty and Superior
You are becoming increasingly tiresome. Putting the issue of your apparent deafness to one side - when did you last have sex with a (live) human being?!
"Waaaah, waaah, waaah."
Sad old cunt.
Fictionist
Serving Eargasms....
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
They key bit is that you knew they had been changed, so your brain tends to latch onto a perceived difference. Hence the need for blind tests etc
It's also crucial that the levels between things being compared are exactly matched (to within 0.5dB). Anything that is louder, no matter how slight, will almost always be perceived as better. Our ears also change their frequency response as volume changes. Hi end and bass drop off as things get quieter (we get more emphasis on the range speech is in), so if something is louder you will naturally hear more bass, and top end will seem clearer.
ATOMIC SUPLEX
Member Since: 1985 Post Count: 3
I'm sure amps could make a difference in much the same way guitar amps do. However the only purpose of a hi-fi amp is to amplify the signal from the source so the speakers as is. I worry constantly about what guitar or bass amp I am going to use but I have never ever in a studio or at home given a shit about what amp powers the speakers. It just has to be the right power.
It's not a hi-fi amps job to change the sound, that would be a shit amp and could only involve something like pointless gain, drive, pre-amps tone or eq. All stuff you don't want.
Again, look at the pro amps? What do they do? They work without blowing up. Do you ever see speaker amps in pro sound mags? No. Just like there are no adverts or features on cables. What could you say? They work or they don't work, they have a pretty cover on them? Make any other claim and you would be laughed out of a job.
It's not a hi-fi amps job to change the sound, that would be a shit amp and could only involve something like pointless gain, drive, pre-amps tone or eq. All stuff you don't want.
Again, look at the pro amps? What do they do? They work without blowing up. Do you ever see speaker amps in pro sound mags? No. Just like there are no adverts or features on cables. What could you say? They work or they don't work, they have a pretty cover on them? Make any other claim and you would be laughed out of a job.
Fictionist
Serving Eargasms....
Nonsense - you have previously admiited that differences might exist between components (after all the sound has probably been engineered in a particular way) - so the insistence on 'blind' listening is an attempt (on your part) to make a nonsense of this basic fact. But putting that to one side - if one person can articulate a difference in perceived sound (even during one 'test') your 'all Hi Fi equipment sounds the same' line falls apart!
What system do you listen to at home Bees?
