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German actors face backlash over ‘cynical’ Covid lockdown videos
Dozens of high-profile actors feature on website making fun of Germany’s coronavirus restrictionswww.theguardian.com
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mojo pixy
...שלא נמצא בשמאל
Very much so. Taking the piss is a good pressure valve in private, but 100% counter productive in reality. Worth recalling that what we're laughing at isn't 'loons' but at society falling to pieces in a crisis of mental health. I can only hope the laughter is impotent, awkward, so-as-not-to-weep laughter not 'oh look at the idiots' laughter, freakshow style.
I fell out with someone who claimed they couldn't have the vaccine for health reasons, and may well have had a legit reason not to have the vaccine, but then perhaps not. They had some kind of auto-immune disease and claimed it was dangerous to have the vaccine, though a relative of theirs was insistent that any risk to them is low. However, at the same time they were posting a load of anti-vaccine stuff that was on the hysterical and inaccurate side, and also starting posting right-wing stuff.
I have an auto-immune disease myself and am eligible for the vaccine, although my situation/condition and disease is different to that of this person (my condition being under control and dealt with to some extent due to surgery).
I think I'm right in saying though, that all the organisations for auto-immune diseases have advised for people with these diseases to take the vaccine.
I would have had my first shot by now, but for being ill with a viral infection. Can only have it when I'm better.
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scalyboy
They’re taking the piss now
Yes, that’s the difficulty, there’s no one leader or figurehead. I recall arguing with another person and saying to them, “you do realise David Icke’s an anti-Semitic lunatic?” They replied that they had never been into Icke, not read his books etc. No doubt for some people the Rothschild lizard agenda is too extreme, they just have the Laurence Fox individualist / selfish attitude of “the elderly and vulnerable can get vaccinated and leave the rest of us to get on with our lives”...Yes, was just going to post something along those lines. People who've been cooped up with very little contact for a year and suddenly come across loads of friendly people.
Which does tend to suggest that our (natural) horrified/pisstaking response might push them further into it.Also true of cults. The most effective way of getting someone out of a cult that I've seen is to quote the actual words of the cult leader (bit difficult here though) where they contradict themselves or did things that were totally at odds with what they preach.
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
I think for a lot of them what the existence of that really, really far out stuff does is enable them to construct a self-image where their belief in really far out stuff places them as the reasonable ones. 'Yes I think the world is run by a massive conspiracy of paedophile satanists, but I don't think they're actual shape-shifting lizards - that would be mad.' Or wherever their personal spot in all this is.
It's a bit like 'ok I might have had ten pints every night this week but I'm not having whisky for breakfast like Steve does so I'm still keeping it reasonable' I guess.
scalyboy
They’re taking the piss now
Yes, for me - and I guess for many other people - it is a kind of incredulous, disbelieving, horrified laughter, a WTAF laughter - as a substitute for rage or depression (although those two are never far away either)
keybored
Well done. You remember cat good.
You've managed to avoid Maajid "Lockdown Kills" Nawaz?
wemakeyousoundb
hopefully not gimboid
more of a better laugh than shake my head in despair here after some interaction with acquaintances; I have now pulled back from trying to discuss this with them.
I'm definitely not having whisky for breakfast
unless it's a special occasion
so_squalid
Well-Known Member
It's quite a nasty virus and if you have a respiritory problem it could be very bad for you indeed. I have a mate who is a parmedic in East London and up to Easter last year it was rife, then it tailed off. Came back in the Winter.
I know one person hospitalised with a clot on his lungs, nasty but he recovered. He's very overweight and admits to himself he eats unhealthily. A few other people diagnosed and had a few shitty days.
Last year when it was novel precautions were rightly taken, but now much more is known and the risks are far better known i.e. the risks are far less.
I don't know anybody who have died, but have heard of three seperate occasions of Covid-19 being put on the death certificate rather than the heart attacks and stroke of the elderly three. Add that to the BBC figures flashed before our eyes every day of deaths within 28 days of any reason with a positive test and that concerns me.
Vaccinate the elderly and vulnerable, of course. Let the rest of us get on with life properly.
Hancock and Johnson are a pair of cunts and Blair wants every man, woman and child to be jabbed as he's so concerned for our well-being.
My views on Covid, so ship me off to the conspiraloon camp.As somebody tagged me on the anti-vaxx, 5G, chemtrail nutter thread.
My partner has suffered with horrendous long covid symptoms for a year now. She’s 40 years old and I fear for her physical and mental health. Your statement about vaccinating the elderly and letting the rest of us get on with our lives are a fucking disgrace.
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
Anything on this thread that's useful?
Long Covid
There are posts about long covid scattered around on other threads but I think it warrants a thread of its own. To kick off here’s a BMJ video that has a better discussion of it than I’ve seen elsewhere and tries to answer some of the questions I’ve been asking myself. In this first of The...
www.urban75.net
I've read that Beclometasone (brown inhaler) can help reduce covid symptoms, and I've found Montelukast to be really helpful recently for asthma (recommended by someone on urban) - it seems to clear the mucus in my lungs. Again though this is in the dark, don't know whether they're useful for long covid.
William of Walworth said:
Just to reassure, I really do agree with everything you said above.
I think (from your first sentence, in italics) that you noticed that I put the words 'fucking nutters' in inverted commas -- quoting Griff 's original post.
But point taken anyway -- my apologies.
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Griff said:
So none of those people marching on Saturday were 'fucking nutters', then?
And some Urbans are 'fucking nutters', because they tend to favour facts, science, logic, rationality** over made-up conspiracies and anti-science?
**and OK, some insults and abuse
I think you've got everything exactly the wrong way about. Just IMO like
Because I'd had a few beers last night as well, and as existentialist said, I felt the need to make a point
The point principally being, that (to me) it seems really weird that you find anti-conspiracists more annoying and insulting, when so much of what so many of the conspiracists come out with, is pretty fucking insulting to sensible peoples' intelligence.
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
Well beyond my expertise but it's strange isn't it. Will depend of course on circumstances people find themselves in (triggering for example) but you come across on here as highly rational. Compare that with the beliefs/actions of the vaxxers: hard to know who should have the diagnosis
existentialist said:
Spot on
Griff , and anyone, has it ever occured to you why some conspiracy theorists lack critical thinking to the extent described above?
To the extent that some of them will wear yellow stars to make their 'point' (
), or as in this case, fail to even notice obvious anti-semitic content in the sources they so uncritically cite?
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Griff
Hardly posting anymore
Yes, the whole thing is polarising and there are a lot of complete and utter cunts out there with an agenda, but to label anybody with any kind of view opposed to the narrative as a conspiracy theorist is counter-productive and devisive.
I'm basically not keen on having a jab as there could be short, medium and long term concerns.
My 86 year old mother had tha AZ jab in February and a week later she had a fall and broke her arm, also a bleed on the brain was diagnosed which we assumed was caused by the fall. A while after there are talk of clots etc which made us think did the clot cause the fall.
Heard of another stroke and death yesterday a week after a jab. Wife''s best friend's cousin, 70 year old.
Yet in some eyes I'd be classed as anti-vaxer, which I'm not, I just don't want or feel the need to have this one.
I'm basically not keen on having a jab as there could be short, medium and long term concerns.
My 86 year old mother had tha AZ jab in February and a week later she had a fall and broke her arm, also a bleed on the brain was diagnosed which we assumed was caused by the fall. A while after there are talk of clots etc which made us think did the clot cause the fall.
Heard of another stroke and death yesterday a week after a jab. Wife''s best friend's cousin, 70 year old.
Yet in some eyes I'd be classed as anti-vaxer, which I'm not, I just don't want or feel the need to have this one.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
uhuh
Griff
Hardly posting anymore
Just looked this up, so I'm lying about the death of somebody am I? Christ!
The conversation was normal and my mrs's mate talked of the death but didn't link the jab at all until my wife mentioned it and found out how recent it had been.
As we're not doctors, we can't say anything for sure, obviously.
Also not a doctor here.
My grasp of science is often very poor
, so when learning things from here, from other sites, from posts by the Urban Knowledgeables such as elbows ( ), I try and read it carefully, and be careful about what sources the stuff I read is coming from.I'm sure you speak truth with how you heard yuur anecdote, Griff , but when belboid had a (correctly IMO!) dubious reaction to " Wife''s best friend's cousin " it did not mean that he though you were lying.
But there are much better, much more reliable sources around -- anecdote is not data.
If you really want to find out more about the bloodclot factor with vaccines, there are good posts (with links) on this site, and elsewhere.
I've no time to find them right now, but others who have might have more time today, will surely point you in the right direction
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
It doesn't matter what label people apply to you, or how much you might protest the semantics. The fact of that matter is that you've disingenuously begun to float ideas which are very much a part of the narratives used by those very groups you're having fits of the vapours about being identified with, and you're being called out on that.
Regardless of whether you're a conspiraloon, an anti-vaxxer, or a plain and simple covidiot, and regardless even of the views you're trying to arms-length into the discussion, people are calling you out on what they are seeing you do, and justifiably so.
"Yes, the whole thing is polarising". Well, duh. There are people all over the place - including friends and relatives of posters on here - who are dying and/or suffering as a result of Covid, and you have the temerity not just to throw your idiotic "they're putting Covid on all the death certificates" bollocks in here, but to claim to be being mistreated when people point out the complete crap you're talking. That's not "polarising" - that's people being rightly fucked off with the evidence-free shit you're trying to sneak under the door.
Take a fucking look at yourself.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Being reported today that a single dose of the vaccine (both AZ and Pfizer) cuts transmission by about half. So there you go, another reason - it protects other people.
The rest of your post about clots etc. I can't be bothered to reply to in detail, but they're likely largely bollocks, both in the way you connect two likely unconnected events, and in the the same way that an anti-vaxxer I know the other day said one of their friend's cousins was 'full of clots' the week after the vaccine.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
I think one of the issues is people don't realize how common clots (of various sorts) are in people, especially old and/or with risk factors. I used to work in a hospital department that dealt with DVTs and PEs daily as part of our normal workload, they're very common among all sorts of people.
Also strokes aren't necessarily clots, they can be bleeds.
Also strokes aren't necessarily clots, they can be bleeds.
BigMoaner
What A Load of Old Bollocks
Griff you might not be an anti vaxxer, but you're now a anti covid vaxxer, no - if it's not safe enough for you, who is it safe enough for? I know it's emotive and difficult, especially with what your mum went through, but is that really a position that is of benefit to you and others?
Just you alone, forget anyone else - do you honestly think you're more at risk from the vax than covid itself? Do you fancy going forward knowing that you'll be unprotected from the virus?
I'm sorry chap but it feels a very extreme position to take. It's an extremist position. Whatever the semantics.
Just you alone, forget anyone else - do you honestly think you're more at risk from the vax than covid itself? Do you fancy going forward knowing that you'll be unprotected from the virus?
I'm sorry chap but it feels a very extreme position to take. It's an extremist position. Whatever the semantics.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
My TIA was a bleed, but I was still prescribed subsequently on the basis that it might have been a clot - which makes a lot of medical sense, just in case it wasn't just a bleed - but which could, to the ignorant, look like the medical establishment saying "everything's a clot".
TBF, the only clots are the ones who selectively misread stuff like that and come up with stupid conclusions.
Clair De Lune
Apocalypse cocktails
I had my own (irrational) worries about the jab Griff so I get how we can be subtly influenced and confused by anxiety & the voices of those around us. But if we take a step back and think about it, would humans really work so very hard to create a vaccine that was more dangerous than the virus it was designed to protect us from?
Sure people might feel lousy for a few days after a vaccine but it then goes on to protect them and others around them, who could quite possibly become extremely ill or die (as many unfortunately have) so it's a small price to pay. Christ I've given myself hangovers way worse and they really benefitted nobody
We all want our lives back. We all want to be able to connect and share love and affection with our family and friends, we all want the option of not being marooned on this tiny island forever. We all want to be able to mix, mingle, fuck and play without this worry of infection, this concern that we could make someone Ill.
I had the pfizer last week. Zero side effects. So much so, my anti vax mam has now said she will have it if it's offered. I'm so relieved as it could genuinely save her life given she is supposed to be shielding.
Sure people might feel lousy for a few days after a vaccine but it then goes on to protect them and others around them, who could quite possibly become extremely ill or die (as many unfortunately have) so it's a small price to pay. Christ I've given myself hangovers way worse and they really benefitted nobody
We all want our lives back. We all want to be able to connect and share love and affection with our family and friends, we all want the option of not being marooned on this tiny island forever. We all want to be able to mix, mingle, fuck and play without this worry of infection, this concern that we could make someone Ill.
I had the pfizer last week. Zero side effects. So much so, my anti vax mam has now said she will have it if it's offered. I'm so relieved as it could genuinely save her life given she is supposed to be shielding.
toblerone3
Grrrrr
Is the Griff on this thread the same one who was once famous for legendary/getting lost/shambolic Epping Forest walks?
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