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[moon23]

You've said they push down wages in order to satisfy their desire for affordable goods and services. What drives their desire for luxuries like chocolate and chips and sports on TV if it isn't greed?

Louis MacNeice

People on income support are not having their desires met, they barely having their basic needs met so obviously they are not being greedy.

People who have a more affulent income and still shop for the lowest price are ethicaly responsible. For instance I know many quite well off people who shop at places like Primark and Asda becuase they want to buy cheap products to satisfy their consumeristic desires.

 

[fractionMan]

yes, it's all our fault. for not buying fairtrade coffee.

 

[frogwoman]

People on income support are not having their desires met, they barely having their basic needs met so obviously they are not being greedy.

People who have a more affulent income and still shop for the lowest price are ethicaly responsible. For instance I know many quite well off people who shop at places like Primark and Asda becuase they want to buy cheap products to satisfy their consumeristic desires.

Maybe they need to spend their money on other things.

What is an afulent (sic) income btw?

 

[moon23]

yes, it's all our fault. for not buying fairtrade coffee.

Yes consumers are partially responsible for their choices. If people didn't shop at Tesco it wouldn't exist. It's the collective lack of respsonsibilty that is the problem if people started to take some rather than simply blamming others then there would be such problems.

 

[fractionMan]

"people shop at asda or primark to satisfy their consumeristic desires"

"If people didn't shop at Tesco it wouldn't exist"

"It's the collective lack of respsonsibilty that is the problem"

Keep em coming.

 

[moon23]

"people shop at asda or primark to satisfy their consumeristic desires"

"If people didn't shop at Tesco it wouldn't exist"

"It's the collective lack of respsonsibilty that is the problem"

Keep em coming.

I know the idea that we as indivduals might be responsible for the nature of the society in which we exist might be unpleasent but it's true.

PS I have had to work at ASDA before I know how shit it is, I have also worked for the Co-op which was much better so now I shop there to support it so more people can then work for them thanks to my trading with them.

 

[the button]

Scratch a hippy, find a cunt.

 

[moon23]

Scratch a hippy, find a cunt.

Scratch a socalist, find a self-righteous authortarian.

 

[frogwoman]

Surely people who **dont** shop at primark or whatever could be termed ethically irresponsible due to the fact that their not shopping there contributes to reduced profits and therefore lower wages for the workers.

 

[moon23]

Surely people who **dont** shop at primark or whatever could be termed ethically irresponsible due to the fact that their not shopping there contributes to reduced profits and therefore lower wages for the workers.

No becuase it leads to increased profits with other industries that treat their workers in a more favourable light and workers can take their labour accross to these if they wish.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

Scratch a socalist, find a self-righteous authortarian.

Shop ethically or take the consequences.

Louis MacNeice

 

[Louis MacNeice]

No becuase it leads to increased profits with other industries that treat their workers in a more favourable light and workers can take their labour accross to these if they wish.

So we must shop; at all cost we must shop.

Louis MacNeice

p.s. can you get back to us on why profits will stay where they have been extracted?

 

[moon23]

The coalition will help get the economy moving again in this country, and we will see an increased in the conditons of working people due to an increase in trade and industry. We have had 13 years of a Labour government and we have record unemployement and culture of state reliance that has led to people languishing on benifets rather than partaking in economically productive activity that brings increased wealth to all of us.

Thankfully we also have the Liberal Democrats in partnership to ensure the social liberals are there to protect the most vunerable with a safety net of welfare. Reducing the tax burden on the lowly paid will reduce state bueracracy and allow people to use what wealth they have to better work and trade themselves out of poverty.

We also have hope of a restoration of our civil liberties and we can enjoy once again living in a free society, i'm hugely optimistic that things are going to be much better now.

 

[butchersapron]

spam

 

[moon23]

So we must shop; at all cost we must shop.

Louis MacNeice

p.s. can you get back to us on why profits will stay where they have been extracted?

Becuase there is most profit to be made from places where there is a high level of economically usefull activity. Profit is not extracted from industry, it is generated by it.

 

[cesare]

:vomitsmiley:

 

[sus]

Lidl is cheaper, people enjoy having more consumer goods at a low price. Tesco sell many luxury items such as DVDs, Flat Screen TVs. Most people who shop there could sacrafice having a bit less in order to buy from places that treated their workers better but they choose not to.

Granted some people have to shop at places with low prices as they are poor, in which case they are lucky to have that option of low prices brought about by lowly paid workers.

You think it can last?

 

[Louis MacNeice]

The coalition will help get the economy moving again in this country, and we will see an increased in the conditons of working people due to an increase in trade and industry. We have had 13 years of a Labour government and we have record unemployement and culture of state reliance that has led to people languishing on benifets rather than partaking in economically productive activity that brings increased wealth to all of us.

Thankfully we also have the Liberal Democrats in partnership to ensure the social liberals are there to protect the most vunerable with a safety net of welfare. Reducing the tax burden on the lowly paid will reduce state bueracracy and allow people to use what wealth they have to better work and trade themselves out of poverty.

We also have hope of a restoration of our civil liberties and we can enjoy once again living in a free society, i'm hugely optimistic that things are going to be much better now.

How many mistakes - factual, logical and grammatical - can you squeeze into one post? It does read as if it was a real relief to force it out though. Just about the only accurate statement in the whole thing is 'I'm hugely optimistic'.

Louis MacNeice

 

[killer b]

gosh. i've rarely seen anyone expose themselves so comprehensively to ridicule as this before. it's incredible.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

Becuase there is most profit to be made from places where there is a high level of economically usefull activity. Profit is not extracted from industry, it is generated by it.

I think this is your best to date.

Louis MacNeice

 

[Blagsta]

Housing provision is in dire straits after 13 years of a Labour govenment, enough said.

Housing provision is in dire straits due to Thatcher. True, Labour did nothing to address the issues, but neither will the ConDems. The two local authorities I have experience of working in re: housing issues (Westminster and Birmingham), both of them consistently fail to discharge their legal duties with regard to the housing act, both find vulnerable people not in priority need, force people into unsuitable accomodation. Birmingham no longer take any homelessness applications from single people under 25. It's a scandal and it won't get any better.

 

[DotCommunist]

can Galt just fuck off of this thread pls?

 

[the button]

gosh. i've rarely seen anyone expose themselves so comprehensively to ridicule as this before. it's incredible.

Truly Jazzz-esque in its magnitute and comprehensiveness.

 

[Blagsta]

People on income support are not having their desires met, they barely having their basic needs met so obviously they are not being greedy.

People who have a more affulent income and still shop for the lowest price are ethicaly responsible. For instance I know many quite well off people who shop at places like Primark and Asda becuase they want to buy cheap products to satisfy their consumeristic desires.

More individualist abstract crap. I used to think you had some nous. These "consumeristic desires" exist in some kind of vacuum presumably?

 

[Blagsta]

Yes consumers are partially responsible for their choices. If people didn't shop at Tesco it wouldn't exist. It's the collective lack of respsonsibilty that is the problem if people started to take some rather than simply blamming others then there would be such problems.

 

[Blagsta]

I know the idea that we as indivduals might be responsible for the nature of the society in which we exist might be unpleasent but it's true.

PS I have had to work at ASDA before I know how shit it is, I have also worked for the Co-op which was much better so now I shop there to support it so more people can then work for them thanks to my trading with them.

Most people shop at the nearest supermarket to where they live or work.

 

[Blagsta]

The coalition will help get the economy moving again in this country, and we will see an increased in the conditons of working people due to an increase in trade and industry. We have had 13 years of a Labour government and we have record unemployement and culture of state reliance that has led to people languishing on benifets rather than partaking in economically productive activity that brings increased wealth to all of us.

Thankfully we also have the Liberal Democrats in partnership to ensure the social liberals are there to protect the most vunerable with a safety net of welfare. Reducing the tax burden on the lowly paid will reduce state bueracracy and allow people to use what wealth they have to better work and trade themselves out of poverty.

We also have hope of a restoration of our civil liberties and we can enjoy once again living in a free society, i'm hugely optimistic that things are going to be much better now.

I'm glad I de-friended you on Facebook. I can't be friends with a Thatcherite. Sorry.

 

[ska invita]

I should have guessed about Billy Bragg when he made everyone wave England flags at a gig he was hosting at the Barbican

he calls it progressive patriotism

 

[moon23]

I'm glad I de-friended you on Facebook. I can't be friends with a Thatcherite. Sorry.

I still think we should have a welfare system, calling me a Tory and a Thatcherite is a little harsh, I just that with more free-trade in some areas and less statist bueracracy is not always a bad thing.

It does seem to me you are being a little dogmatic to de-friend someone becuase you dislike their politcal views on a topic. After you called one of my friends 'scum', i'm not hugely upset that you de-friended my on facebook.

I understand you are sressed about the prospect of losing you job, and appreciate you have responsibilties. I don't have any ill-feeling towards you Blagsta and wish you well.

Anyway I think i've taken enough abuse on this thread now!

 

[Louis MacNeice]

I still think we should have a welfare system, calling me a Tory and a Thatcherite is a little harsh, I just that with more free-trade in some areas and less statist bueracracy is not always a bad thing.

It does seem to me you are being a little dogmatic to de-friend someone becuase you dislike their politcal views on a topic. After you called one of my friends 'scum', i'm not hugely upset that you de-friended my on facebook.

I understand you are sressed about the prospect of losing you job, and appreciate you have responsibilties. I don't have any ill-feeling towards you Blagsta and wish you well.

Anyway I think i've taken enough abuse on this thread now!

The dissonance between the bits in bold does rather take the shine of what follows.

Louis MacNeice