andysays
Love and solidarity
Can someone explain what this means
Diane Abbott suspended as Labour MP.
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Can someone explain what this means
Puddy_Tat
naturally fluffy
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oryx
Sitting on the bok of the day
When I say being called out, I mean challenged because it's a controversial view and could be construed as being very offensive. (When I came across this stance in a training course many years ago I actually found it offensive and I am not Irish, Jewish or Gypsy/Roma/Traveller).It's not even so much about being called out, imo. Are we not allowed to have a discussion/debate/argument about this issue?
On this thread, it's been pointed out that DLR thinks it's a racist letter while I don't. Does that mean one or other of us needs to be 'called out'? We disagree. We're allowed to disagree. If DLR were following Starmer's lead, presumably he'd be calling for me to be banned from the thread, and quite possibly thrown off Urban.
I don't mean that she should lose the whip and quite probably, eventually, the seat she's held a big majority in for decades and in which she appears to be a popular constituency MP. She's apologised and that should be the end of it.
andysays
Love and solidarity
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Romani (Gypsy), Roma and Irish Tr…
Advocating for and working with Gypsy, Roma and Traveller people to tackle discrimination and promote equality
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ska invita
back on the other side
The horrible irony of all this is that she is an active anti-racist in a racist Labour Party, and has experienced serious discrimination from within her own ranks with no official support....
and while the labour racists happily ignore their own prejudice ( apart from limited politically expedient anti-Semitism), continue to block status quo challenging ethnic minority labour party members who would make great MPs, ignore their own commissioned reports that find a heirarchy of racism being practiced, it will be her that gets the boot.
The clear picture is ethnic minority MPs are promoted when they don't challenge the status quo, and preferably play the role of actively perpetuating racist attitudes. Those who try to stand against prejudice are for the door
and while the labour racists happily ignore their own prejudice ( apart from limited politically expedient anti-Semitism), continue to block status quo challenging ethnic minority labour party members who would make great MPs, ignore their own commissioned reports that find a heirarchy of racism being practiced, it will be her that gets the boot.
The clear picture is ethnic minority MPs are promoted when they don't challenge the status quo, and preferably play the role of actively perpetuating racist attitudes. Those who try to stand against prejudice are for the door
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bluescreen
tofu eating wokerati
Tomiwa Owolade has published a response to Abbott's letter responding to his article.
www.newstatesman.com
What Diane Abbott gets wrong about racism
The Labour MP’s response to my column showed a stunning lack of judgement and awareness.
www.newstatesman.com
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
could you share the text so we don't have to register to read the ns?Tomiwa Owolade has published a response to Abbott's letter responding to his article.
What Diane Abbott gets wrong about racism
The Labour MP’s response to my column showed a stunning lack of judgement and awareness.
bluescreen
tofu eating wokerati
what an appalling reason to even get irritated.
excuse me?
Elpenor
Dancing as fast as I can
Their
haha jesus ok well i know when i'm not wanted. you people are very nasty people
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Owolade makes a very strong argument, and I also like his wider points made elsewhere about the dangers of conflating US racism with UK racism, but I don't quite see why there is a need to have a dig at Abbott or insist that Starmer's response was right. 'I think you're wrong, and this is why'. Isn't that enough? Why add 'I think you're wrong and you're not fit to be in public life'?Tomiwa Owolade has published a response to Abbott's letter responding to his article.
What Diane Abbott gets wrong about racism
The Labour MP’s response to my column showed a stunning lack of judgement and awareness.
blossie33
trailer trash
I live in the Hackney North constituency and I know two very strong Labour party supporters who don't like her and have said they only vote for her because she represents the party for our area.
Also, I'm only repeating what one of them said, I don't know if it's true, but apparently she has been heard to slag off white people.
I'm wondering if the letter she wrote has been the Labour party's excuse to call her out and there have been other things going on
just my thoughts of course!
Also, I'm only repeating what one of them said, I don't know if it's true, but apparently she has been heard to slag off white people.
I'm wondering if the letter she wrote has been the Labour party's excuse to call her out and there have been other things going on
just my thoughts of course!bluescreen
tofu eating wokerati
Yes. Better, though, to have left his critique at that. He doesn't seem to buy the 'wrong draft' argument, but then few people will.
And the whole Labour anti-semitism thing is so toxic. I don't get why he has to score extra Starmer brownie points like this either, but maybe he just believes that?
ska invita
back on the other side
i haven't read that but on this point 100% yes, the opposite, we need MPs who actually care enough to talk about racism rather than bow to the power of those who ignore their own reports telling them their party is racist, systemically ignoring their ethnic minority MPs who complain it is being ignored etc.
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LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Whatever the nuances of the letter's content and history of racism/s might be in a wide ranging discussion (not a 150 or so word letter ffs) the complete fucking incompetence and tone-deafness of sending a letter saying Jewish, Irish and traveller people don't experience racism give the context of these arguments and raging problems this has caused in her party the last years is pretty mind blowing.
And then what seems likes minutes later issues a weird apology that incredibly manages to seem more incompetent than the original letter.
Absolute fucking moron, she deserves to be sacked for completely earth shattering idiocy.
And then what seems likes minutes later issues a weird apology that incredibly manages to seem more incompetent than the original letter.
Absolute fucking moron, she deserves to be sacked for completely earth shattering idiocy.
not a trot
Well-Known Member
Doubt if all those working class Tory voters will give a shit.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Ok, I was using sacked as a lazy shorthand. Well, exactly, she gave him a very easy excuse. Unless it's part of some grand plan she has, although the apology suggests otherwise?
Aside from the insensitivity in this case to the experience of Jewish, Traveller and Irish people, is it any wonder that black people 'slag off' white people?
Sound like London liberals.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
What does that mean?
Will the constituency till exist - will the carve up make any real difference?
PR1Berske
Alligator in chains by the park gates.
The ongoing (third attempt!) boundary review process should conclude this year. The next election will be fought on the new boundaries.
For great swathes of London the changes won't matter much to Labour. But all MPs have their strong areas and weak areas; sometimes boundary reviews place an MP into places were they don't have the personal connection/vote they are used to.
I posted that to just provide another element to the story, connected to earlier posts about her standing in the constituency.
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