Fozzie Bear
Well-Known Member
Yes. No.
Diane Abbott suspended as Labour MP.
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Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
She makes a lot of crappy mistakes, but the level of vitriol directed at her is magnitudes above what is levelled at other dickhead MPs. And you can’t help but feel that is cos she is:
A woman
Black
In that order.
A woman
Black
In that order.
scifisam
feck! arse! girls! drink!
They have. They were waiting for any excuse.
Apparently she's a very good constituency MP, but in recent years she's definitely showing problems that make her not really suitable for the job any more.
I'm kinda surprised that almost everyone here is blanketly accepting that the letter was antisemitic TBH. Stupid, yes, antisemitic, no.
Agent Sparrow
the age of slippers and migraines
Not entirely sure I’d agree with the ordering but yep.
Feeling quite uncomfortable with non Black people labelling her a racist tbf. And it shuts down any conversations about the hierarchy of racism/differences between groups.
ska invita
back on the other side
I've just fired up Twitter for the first time today...saw this and closed it again.What a cunt....
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Sadly seem to be spending more and more time with people (men) who hate with a vengeance women with power. It’s fucking exhausting.
My first thought when I read this was: Braverman. A dickhead is a dickhead. Would you suggest that Braverman deserves a break?
Puddy_Tat
naturally fluffy
generally, 
there is, i suppose, a semantic argument about whether (say) prejudice shown by a white english person towards white irish people, or by an asian hindu person towards asian muslim people, is technically 'racism' but i'm not sure it's an argument worth having. both come from the same roots, and i've only really seen it when used by racists saying or posting internet shite about muslims then saying 'i'm not racist, muslim isn't a race lol' or words to that effect.
in view of all the stuff that's gone on in the labour party over the last few years, and knowing that the starmer faction is eager for excuses to purge anyone remotely leftish, i would have thought that DA would have thought a few times before even drafting something like this.
but also at the way people rush to condemn DA. I don't think she's perfect, and I don't believe that any 'minority' politician should get a free pass, but DA does seem to attract more criticism than most - and yes, her being a black woman who doesn't 'know her place' and keep quiet does seem to be a part of that...
there is, i suppose, a semantic argument about whether (say) prejudice shown by a white english person towards white irish people, or by an asian hindu person towards asian muslim people, is technically 'racism' but i'm not sure it's an argument worth having. both come from the same roots, and i've only really seen it when used by racists saying or posting internet shite about muslims then saying 'i'm not racist, muslim isn't a race lol' or words to that effect.
in view of all the stuff that's gone on in the labour party over the last few years, and knowing that the starmer faction is eager for excuses to purge anyone remotely leftish, i would have thought that DA would have thought a few times before even drafting something like this.
but also
at the way people rush to condemn DA. I don't think she's perfect, and I don't believe that any 'minority' politician should get a free pass, but DA does seem to attract more criticism than most - and yes, her being a black woman who doesn't 'know her place' and keep quiet does seem to be a part of that...
tim
EXPLODED TIM! (Help me!!!)
Yes, she's clearly someone the current leadership want rid of, and this stupid letter is just what they need to do so.
There's also the broader institutional racism issue on the Parliamentary left. Why is it so much easier for people from minority backgrounds to progress in the Tory Party, than in the Labour Party?
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
It was a dumb thing to say and the apology was piss poor but I suspect there is a lot of unseemly high-fiving happening in Labour HQ at the moment. I'm not a fan of Abbott but I suspect with most other Labour MP's the piss poor apology would be considered enough and there would certainly be no suspending from the party over it.
She doesn't come across as a very good MP but there is a whiff of being targeted here and the chance has been seized.
She doesn't come across as a very good MP but there is a whiff of being targeted here and the chance has been seized.
Agent Sparrow
the age of slippers and migraines
Diane Abbott was near crucified for having a can of mojito on a train ffs.
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Agent Sparrow
the age of slippers and migraines
I’m not sure I’m the best person to answer this without stepping waaay out of my lane, but a couple of things that spring to mind are a) a certain levelling quality (to a degree at least) of being a hugely rich capitalist, and b) Tories who are PoC have learnt not to raise it as much.
I don’t think it’s because the Tories are staunch anti-racists.
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
I'm Jewish by blood. I don't regard Jews as a race, and it is a very long time since we were so. Antisemitism is religious discrimination, rather than racial. There are Jews of every hue on the planet. Intermarriage has taken Jews from Middle Eastern to citizens of every continent. Because the faith is passed down on the female side, I'm Jewish, but my daughter isn't.
I'm a non attender at the Church of Scotland, as that was the church I was brought up in.
If you want to hear really vitriolic discussion of religion, toddle off to the Outer Hebrides. The Wee Frees still hold sway, C of S is just about acceptable, but Roman Catholics are the devil incarnate.
That's a really crap comparison.
Cid
Proper break this time
W
Yep. Is he expecting her to suddenly start rocking up on fox news and appearing in videos for PraegerU or something? It was a stupid thing to do, but I see no evidence of anything beyond that.
Yep. Is he expecting her to suddenly start rocking up on fox news and appearing in videos for PraegerU or something? It was a stupid thing to do, but I see no evidence of anything beyond that.
WhyLikeThis
Something, something, something
Blue tick wanker.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
This. There was a chance to get into a debate about whether racism is or can be an umbrella term, specific historical contexts, neo-liberalism and material inequality, the language of anti-oppression and the rest. And of course building anti-racist politics from these messy components. But this avoids all of that and plays out along the horrible well trodden path of the post-Corbyn/kieth era.
In some senses, it's not so much what she said, cack handed and stupid as it was, it's the weakness of the left, the lack of confidence in building any kind of movement that addresses multiple inequalities. And a gift to kieth in his campaign to make the Labour Part even shitter than it has ever been.
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Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Yep, very different to the phalanx of rapists in the tory parliamentary ranks.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
I’ve been at band practice, so a bit behind. And to be honest I’m not sure I can gather the strength to read through the thread. Because, you know, priorities.It's not even so much about being called out, imo. Are we not allowed to have a discussion/debate/argument about this issue?
On this thread, it's been pointed out that DLR thinks it's a racist letter while I don't. Does that mean one or other of us needs to be 'called out'? We disagree. We're allowed to disagree. If DLR were following Starmer's lead, presumably he'd be calling for me to be banned from the thread, and quite possibly thrown off Urban.
But the letter literally makes a racist argument. Does that mean I think Abbott is A Racist? Not really. I think she’s fallen into an identity politics trap and she’s not really got the intellectual rigour to work out what went wrong.
Do I think LBJ should be cancelled? Nope. I just disagree with him about a daft letter by an accident prone politician.
Do I think Starmer is acting in good faith? Almost never.
Erm, no. Any Labour MP who composed an email like that and then was thick enough to send it to a national newspaper would have been sacked instantly.
She's had plenty of chances. She's not very good at her job, and never has been. Starmer had absolutely no choice. If it was Rachel Reeves or anyone else senior in his shadow cabinet, they'd be gone too. It's indefensible and what's most worrying is that she's clearly been harbouring these views all her career but her inability to use a computer properly is the only reason she's been outed.
Do you think she should have kept the whip?
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
If someone in starmer's camp had come out with this or indeed anything that caused similar levels of offence, they'd have been given the chance to dig themselves out of the hole they'd dug. Probably with party assistance.
Puddy_Tat
naturally fluffy
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
No, it’s a catch-all analysis. Worth writing down and looking at from time to time.that's not specific to this thread, though...
Mr.Bishie
pickled egg
She’s far from thick, & she’s bloody good at her job on a grassroots level.
What’s your agenda?
scifisam
feck! arse! girls! drink!
Harbouring the view that Jewish people are subject to prejudice but it's not exactly the same thing as racism?
likesfish
You can't park here sir
I mean the Guardian must have gone YES! when they got this giant suicide note its the 21st century even my limited intellect can figure out that claiming jews the roma and travellers dont suffer from racism is bollocks.
she a very goodfconstituency mp shes a disaster in the spotlight you can't compare the american south and the holocaust the southern americans wanted a docile servant class the Nazis attempted to exterminate the Jewish race by industrial organized genocide.
Shes a middle class wanker who fell down the identity politics well and cant climb out believes white working class parents hate their children as they dont send them to private school. Shes a liability in the cabinet.
is it because I'm black ?
no its because your a motormouth who doesnt think before you speak.
she a very goodfconstituency mp shes a disaster in the spotlight you can't compare the american south and the holocaust the southern americans wanted a docile servant class the Nazis attempted to exterminate the Jewish race by industrial organized genocide.
Shes a middle class wanker who fell down the identity politics well and cant climb out believes white working class parents hate their children as they dont send them to private school. Shes a liability in the cabinet.
is it because I'm black ?
no its because your a motormouth who doesnt think before you speak.
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