Raheem
Well-Known Member
Problem is I had a hard time understanding what I was being accused of, because everyone just preferred to be vague and snidey.
Diane Abbott suspended as Labour MP.
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krtek a houby
Anger is Hi-NRG
Anyway FWIW, I don't know about Diane Abbott as a constituency MP but she's been a liability in the last few years. Granted her mispeaks have been overshadowed by a dozen Tory MPs sworded incidents', public displays of incompetency or general cretinousness. But even so.
That said, she's been treated appallingly and embarrasingly by the Labour leadership and press, so if she does stand, good luck to her.
That said, she's been treated appallingly and embarrasingly by the Labour leadership and press, so if she does stand, good luck to her.
krtek a houby
Anger is Hi-NRG
Sometimes intentions and meanings get lost in translation here.
Am sure you understand that urbanites (those who reside in the UK) are on edge right now. You/they've had 14 years of hell under an incompetent right wing government, and are about to sign up to another 5 years (at least) of a new incompetent right wing government.
Can't blame them for being wound up tight.
Raheem
Well-Known Member
A more comforting version is I was just unlucky to get all the arseholes at once. That's what I'm going with.
Anyway, let's draw a line.
imposs1904
Thread Killa'
Christ, do you think Starmer's an asset at this point?
I guarantee there are people within his inner circle right now whispering to each other that he needs to be replaced as Labour leader before the next election after this one.
imposs1904
Thread Killa'
I don't think she'd win the Mayor race. Better sticking to standing as an independent in her parliamentary constituency.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Who were 20 points ahead. Before this self-inflicted stupidity. Sure, labour should cruise home. But if they ditch Abbott they can kiss goodbye to hackney North. And I don't think shammer improves on greater acquaintance.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
It’s a leftie thing.
andysays
Love and solidarity
It appears to me that they're (still) trying to get her to say or do something which enables them to expel her, rather than actually rule that she can't stand.
She was asked repeatedly yesterday if she would stand as an independent, for example, and had she said yes, that would have been it, they'd have a legitimate reason to kick her out.
If she is thinking about standing as an independent, it would be better if she was explicitly prevented from standing as the Labour candidate (as Corbyn was). But given all the shit the Labour leadership have put her through, I wouldn't blame her if she just said fuck it and either jumped before she was pushed or simply walked away from the whole thing.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Not to mention the hierarchy of racism he presides over. If it was right to shaft corbyn because of as in the party it's right to dump shammer over the more diverse racism he is apparently willing to condone
ska invita
back on the other side
This is the thing with using procedural tricks to win a factional war within a ropey system, in theory you can then use the precedent of those same tricks back at the abuser, collapsing the whole thing. But it takes people prepared to do that.....the dominant "faction" in the LP is so dominant here, in numbers and in positions of power, there just isn't the fight back required.That needs a complaint against him that might stop him standing as an MP
ska invita
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The left in Labour appears zombified, most want to hang on to enjoy the upcoming Labour victory and generally keep their jobs.... Grim outlook , not that it was ever much cause for hope.
I still hope that the alliance with Israel might unwind some of them
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
The SCG is well intentioned but it's politically weak with little political nous and has offered very little opposition precisely because its in the Labour Party. With better leadership and politics it should have split away some time ago.
ska invita
back on the other side
Back to the ancient question whether people will split off and join a new party (or enter the greens)....the number of people forced out already surely makes something like that inevitable....this current vague coalition of independents is a bit of nonsense IMO
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Its all up for grabs isn't it . Join an organisation in which you might agree with some or most of their politics, join an organisation and fight for your politics, build a new organisation, build local organisation that has some federal/fraternal links to others?
It will be interesting to see how it pans out and who/what grows. Of course, there are other organisations, WPB, the Trot based groups who will also be rolling out the red carpet for recruitment.
ska invita
back on the other side
Something has got to give with our ancient regime....a Labour landslide perhaps not the best conditions for it to happen though...its got to be broken one day. Nick Bastard Clegg royal missed the open goal to have a referendum on PR - it was one of their conditions for the being in the coalition. Hard to imagine when another opportunity will arise like that.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Labour missed a trick by not backing this. Even if Labour win a landslide this time, in the long run, the current broken system favours the Tories more than anyone. IMO everyone on the left should back electoral reform both for reasons of fairness and because it aligns tactically with their interests. The fact that a fairer system aligns with the interests of the left rather than the right isn't a coincidence.
That may be horribly reformist of me, but PR would open up various possibilities for realignment, as we have seen in Spain, which has various political similarities to the UK.
ska invita
back on the other side
Thats the thing, on one level Labour will never go for it, on another level they should for their own longterm self interests. You never know, even from within this Labour cabal the idea might arise as a good strategy...seems unlikely though. Their vanguardist instincts are very strong
Karl Masks
Birds Angel Delight
Dianne says she hasn't been selected.
Starmer says that hasn't been decided.
So then he can use this against her. She will be seen as calling out the leader and going against the party and by virtue of not actually doing aything Starmer gets to kick her out on a technicality. Nothing to do with the issue of her letter. Odious
Starmer says that hasn't been decided.
So then he can use this against her. She will be seen as calling out the leader and going against the party and by virtue of not actually doing aything Starmer gets to kick her out on a technicality. Nothing to do with the issue of her letter. Odious
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Really hard for Starmer to do anything right now that is good for him. Kicking her out now would be a terrible look, particularly if she then stands as an indie and wins. Allowing her to stand for Labour doesn't help with the Strong Man image he's trying to portray.
He appears to be particularly adept at manoeuvring himself into lose-lose situations.
As I say I don’t know how popular she is locally. But the procrastination is making him look weaker. He should let her stand Rather than throw a seat away by parachuting some Choice candidate in. Let her stand to let the news story move on the mall he dithers, the more embarrassing for him it is.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Indeed, and afaik, he hasn't even met with Martin Forde KC, whom he commissioned to write the report. Worse, perhaps, is the lack of interest from most of the media (C4 and The Graun excepted).
Bingoman
Well-Known Member
So who's telling the truth here?
ska invita
back on the other side
Whoever leaked that the investigation had finished months ago deserves a clap - needs more of this
Hmmm I wonder?
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