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David Icke lecture @ Wembley Arena, October 2012

littlebabyjesus said:
There are different kinds of 'ill'. I'm not going to go into details, but someone very close to me has been suffering from psychotic delusions about all kinds of things for many years and has built up an extremely disturbing set of beliefs in trying to make sense of it. She holds down her job just fine, most of the time, and you'd never guess if you met her - as long as she stayed away from certain subjects.

Blagsta may be right that the psychotic breakdown is over, but that kind of experience can leave very deeply held beliefs, particularly if he himself interpreted his breakdown as something else, and if he's experiencing ongoing visions or voices that reinforce those beliefs, he could well be quite high-functioning in many ways and still be 'ill'.
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i've got mental health problems which have included paranoia and beliefs that came very close to being delusions in the past. i think holding down a job, etc, is very different to the type of success that icke has had. i'm sorry to hear about your friend and maybe i'm wrong but i think that after a while,the stress of being that famous and successful would start to severely impact your mental health to the point where you were showing obvious signs of being very ill.

does icke believe that for example "they" are tapping his phone, listening to his thoughts through walls etc etc? it seems to me that whereas someone mentally ill would have paranoia and delusions involving themselves or loved ones most of the time, he speaks about it as a general theory to explain things going on in the world - ie it's not personal. perhaps i'm wrong and there are conditions where this occurs but i've never heard of it.
 
butchersapron said:
Well give us a few. Given that you're bigging up him and his ideas the suggestion from you that he's full of ludicrous ideas seems rather to undermine that doesn't it?
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That's the mentality of the herd - looking for someone, an authority, to follow.

How about making up your own mind on distinct issues? Listening to what someone might have to say on each one and taking it or rejecting as you see fit?

And as someone wanting to spread information and ideas - must you limit yourself to the ones which you are absolutely damn certain about - lest others go "oh that one is nonsense, therefore I must consider everything you say nonsense?" - or how about just letting it all hang out, so people can have the benefit of all your ideas and thoughts?

I think Icke is spectacularly correct on some issues and spectacularly wrong on others. So what?
I can find out what we are being told to believe extremely easily, just by turning on the television.
 
Jazzz said:
That's the mentality of the herd - looking for someone, an authority, to follow.

How about making up your own mind on distinct issues? Listening to what someone might have to say on each one and taking it or rejecting as you see fit?

And as someone wanting to spread information and ideas - must you limit yourself to the ones which you are absolutely damn certain about - lest others go "oh that one is nonsense, therefore I must consider everything you say nonsense?" - or how about just letting it all hang out, so people can have the benefit of all your ideas and thoughts?

I think Icke is spectacularly correct on some issues and spectacularly wrong on others. So what?
I can find out what we are being told to believe extremely easily, just by turning on the television.
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Excellent :D
 
Jazzz said:
That's the mentality of the herd - looking for someone, an authority, to follow.

How about making up your own mind on distinct issues? Listening to what someone might have to say on each one and taking it or rejecting as you see fit?

And as someone wanting to spread information and ideas - must you limit yourself to the ones which you are absolutely damn certain about - lest others go "oh that one is nonsense, therefore I must consider everything you say nonsense?" - or how about just letting it all hang out, so people can have the benefit of all your ideas and thoughts?

I think Icke is spectacularly correct on some issues and spectacularly wrong on others. So what?
I can find out what we are being told to believe extremely easily, just by turning on the television.
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Go on then, make a case for the value of incoherence. That would be fun. Especially in the case of someone like Icke whose whole perspective is explicitly based on each and every part fitting together and supporting the overarching whole. Off you go.
 
Mitochondrial Eve, somewhere in East Africa about 200,000 years ago. We're all descended from her. The subsequent pattern of migration and the times, ways and reasons why various traits that have become associated with the concept 'race' evolved are now becoming really quite well understood. :)

The irony of all this racist stuff is that humans as a species are really all very closely related, far more closely related than many other species. Which isn't all good - it leaves us far more prone to pandemics, but which is ironic given the lengths some people seem prepared to go to to divide us all up.
 
littlebabyjesus said:
Mitochondrial Eve, somewhere in East Africa about 200,000 years ago. We're all descended from her. The subsequent pattern of migration and the times, ways and reasons why various traits that have become associated with the concept 'race' evolved are now becoming really quite well understood. :)
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Dude, what about Tars Tarkas?
 
it's just that from my experience of mental health problems the thoughts are usually focused on the sufferer or those close to them or who they care about for whatever reason. "my apartment is bugged" "people are listening to my thoughts" "everyone hates me, i'm a failure", "If i don't do X, someone might die". even with things where people are obsessed with or have delusions involving celebrities etc, it's usually on the lines of "she's about to be hurt, i must warn her" "me and her are meant to be together."

is the shit icke says like that - ie does he say he and only he is the person who knows this "knowledge" etc? can you get delusions etc that aren't like that? i don't know.
 
frogwoman said:
it's just that from my experience of mental health problems the thoughts are usually focused on the sufferer or those close to them or who they care about for whatever reason. "my apartment is bugged" "people are listening to my thoughts" "everyone hates me, i'm a failure", "If i don't do X, someone might die". even with things where people are obsessed with or have delusions involving celebrities etc, it's usually on the lines of "she's about to be hurt, i must warn her" "me and her are meant to be together."

is the shit icke says like that? can you get delusions etc that aren't like that? i don't know.
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That's true. And psychotic episodes all tend to share a lot of very specific things - as you say, people controlling/ reading your thoughts, various kinds of invisible waves, 'psychic' visions, etc.

Perhaps it isn't so likely that Icke is suffering from ongoing delusions. But if he has interpreted his original delusions as not-delusions, as revelations, then his whole way of thinking may still be securely rooted in that. My guess is that he's genuine, tbh.
 
fair enough, and it's also common to have pretty worrying beliefs regarding the apocalypse/the end of the world etc which while the might not be signs of mental illness as such are pretty unhealthy. however i think that more probably applies to icke's followers more than him though.

i do think a lot of the people who end up believing this shit pretty obviously need help and part of his "business model" is to sell this shit to people that are actually suffering. as can be seen by the conspiracy world's courting of remedies like colloidal silver etc.
 
Is dr jazzzzz and david ickey the same person? Have they ever been seen in the same room?

Over 1000 posts on this. Curious. Urbz laaaves it!
 
frogwoman said:
also i don't think that someone who literally believes all of this shit would be functional enough to pull in millions of pounds and attract crowds of thousands to his speaking tours.
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there are plenty of tv preachers who believe what they say and their ideas are just as crazy as icke's
 
Jack Black said:
Is dr jazzzzz and david ickey the same person? Have they ever been seen in the same room?

Over 1000 posts on this. Curious. Urbz laaaves it!
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Totally. They all deny it but these threads bring out the ? here. I'm only looking for the first time coz there's an advert on the matrix.
 
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