goldenecitrone
post tenebras lux
He isn't. He's just got some very odd beliefs.
David Icke lecture @ Wembley Arena, October 2012
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He isn't. He's just got some very odd beliefs.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
His views legitmate far-right views. Doesn't matter that much whether it's consciously or unconsciously, the effect is the same. And, as it's clear he's never ever coming back, then a different approach is required than that of someone who has odd beliefs tied in with far-right views who hasn't fully internalised them into their world-view. One of those ways is making explicit the ways in which their odd views are tied to the far-right and pinning them on them personally.
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
I used to think that. Now, I don't think it is the case. He promotes far right opinions again and again.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
IME that's more to do with the milieu in which conspiracy theories are currently primarily circulated. Back in the pre-web days, CTs and CTers tended to be politically-neutral for the most part. There has been, however, an unfortunate "taking up" of CT by elements of the right over the last 10 years or so, and also a concomitant exposure of people to right-biased CTs.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
Are you sure that's true? I thought that conspiracy shit was always far right (as shown by the fact that people like Pat Robertson wrote anti-zionist screeds descirbing black helicopters etc back in 1995, and then there was the liberty lobby, spotlight etc). what i thought had changed is the fact that things like the UFO/Roswell etc subculture got more exposed to those types of conspiracy theories with the arrival of the internet, so that UFOs/aliens are now linked with wider conspiracies rather than just a conspiracy to cover alien presences up iyswim (and far right conspiracies at that).
TruXta
tired
Uranus, clearly.
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
I dunno, the "Rothschild Zionists" thing seems to me to be an update of ZOG.
First I've heard of it! To be honest, it sounds like a load of nonsense. Having googled it seems Icke mentions it as a theory from Desborough chap. File under 'one of many pretty out there theories that Icke mentions'. It totally depends what you wish to read into it if you want to say it's racist though. Wouldn't it seem worse the other way around?
Rather than concentrating on adding between the lines, why not pay attention to simply what Icke says and indeed him denouncing racism? Because he does that very eloquently. Why completely ignore him on that topic?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
It's the first that you hard about it despite it being a central point of someone whose theories you've recommended for years? I think you're lying.First I've heard of it! To be honest, it sounds like a load of nonsense. Having googled it seems Icke mentions it as a theory from Desborough chap. It totally depends what you wish to read into it if you want to say its racist though. Wouldn't it seem worse the other way around?
Rather than concentrating on adding between the lines, why not pay attention to simply what Icke says and indeed him denouncing racism? Because he does that very eloquently. Why completely ignore him on that topic?
this is what we're doing.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
wtf? you seems to have a 1970s view of racismIt totally depends what you wish to read into it if you want to say its racist though. Wouldn't it seem worse the other way around?
Rather than concentrating on adding between the lines, why not pay attention to simply what Icke says and indeed him denouncing racism? Because he does that very eloquently. Why completely ignore him on that topic?
Spud Murfy
Relic
Sounds like Michael Bradley's 'The Iceman Inheritance'. Bradley has been crowing about the recent suggestions of 1-4% introgression of Neanderthal genes into non-African populations as proof of what he's been saying for years - except the proportion's much greater and scientists are covering this up because they're cowards and liars etc etc.
He's also been channelling some of the ideas of hardcore anti-semite Kevin Macdonald in a more recent book titled 'Chosen People of the Caucasus'.
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Yep and lets remember Icke isn't just an odd case, he defended his mate Kollarstrom to the end despite all the evidence of his holocaust denying supplied by others.
SpineyNorman
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Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
what's with the weird nipples?
SpineyNorman
Inappropriate content removed
I think it's so they don't get nicked for indecent exposure or whatever. They cover their real nipples with fake ones lol
rekil
to menny cranks
And 'political prisoner' Ernst Zundel as well.
That boat they're sending to the falklands is sure to get many a loon excited.
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
First I've heard of it! To be honest, it sounds like a load of nonsense. Having googled it seems Icke mentions it as a theory from Desborough chap. File under 'one of many pretty out there theories that Icke mentions'. It totally depends what you wish to read into it if you want to say it's racist though. Wouldn't it seem worse the other way around?
Rather than concentrating on adding between the lines, why not pay attention to simply what Icke says and indeed him denouncing racism? Because he does that very eloquently. Why completely ignore him on that topic?
Here you are in step with faux pas (unsurprisingly) and their appreciation that saying apparently positive things about a racially defined group couldn't be derogatory; you're just as wrong as they were. I tried to get faux pas to think this through, but they declined the offer. Perhaps you'll be more forthcoming in reconsidering your position.
As an example for you to think about consider the opinion expressed by some psychiatrists that 'West Indians' disproportionately didn't suffer from depression in comparison to their white counterparts (Fernando 1988 Race and Culture in Psychiatry). While such 'immunity' might be thought of as a positive quality, the explanation proffered and it's implications pointed in exactly the opposite direction.
The explanation provided was that because of a 'cultural characteristic' whereby Afro-Caribbeans externalised their problems, blaming outside agencies in a 'child like' manner (Fernando 1988), they were protected from introspective and intellectual depression, 'the inwardly directed disturbance of a finely tunes mechanism' (Littlewood and Lipsedge 1989 Aliens and Alienists - how appropriate!).
Ill let you work through the implications. Keep in mind that that psychiatrists weren't saying that Afro-Caribbeans didn't exhibit mental distress; just that it wasn't evidence of depression.
Cheers - Louis MacNeice
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
"I love black people, me. I really envy their sense of rhythm. It's like they're more in tune with nature..."
Jazzz, really, seriously, get a fucking grip with this racist shit.
Jazzz, really, seriously, get a fucking grip with this racist shit.
ATOMIC SUPLEX
Member Since: 1985 Post Count: 3
Not mentions, he subscribes to it.
"My own research supports the theme."
Then he goes on to suggest there is very strong evidence in his own research that a white race of egyptians had very strong ties with Mars and links names, the pyrimids, and the spinx to mars. etc etc.
"I would strongly suggest that this emphasis on Mars came from the knowledge in ancient times that this is where the white race came from."
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
what is this 'research'?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Reading other peoples books then repeating their mad ideas. That's it. Really.That's it.
ATOMIC SUPLEX
Member Since: 1985 Post Count: 3
Usually, well in the book I have, when he mentions 'his own research' it means what he is saying is not documented.
When he is quoting other peoples books he at least does make that very clear, though he does take some sizable chunks. These sections are usually topped off with "my own research suggests", but he never gives anything of substance. It's either cherry picking common folklore or some bad science.
Every chapter ends with a list of sources, but most of the sources are pretty flakey.
I'm quite enjoying reading it again, it's like bad sci-fi, there is probably a cool B-Movie or two in there if you take out all the plot inconstancies.
Talking of B-Movies, he actually uses some sci-fi films as 'sources'.
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
I'm guessing he uses them as 'sources' of 'facts', not as say for example, evidence of enduring popular narratives; perhaps the sort where dangerous outsiders can be recognised by their likeness to us combined with some subtle or not so subtle differences.
Cheers - Louis MacNeice
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
It's not quite. ZOG has always denoted a supposedly overt control of "the strings", whereas the "Rothschild Zionism" schtick is yet another stab at alleging covert control.
ATOMIC SUPLEX
Member Since: 1985 Post Count: 3
I'm pretty sure he mentions that he thinks the makers of these films know some inside truth and are trying to get the message out to the public.
He does also often use sci-fi films as examples, which of course makes a lot more sense, but he does do it really rather a lot.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
I didn't know much about Icke before this thread, beyond the lizards. Learning a bit more, I am fucking appalled at Jazzz for promoting his hateful bile. Really fucking appalled.
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