David Icke lecture @ Wembley Arena, October 2012

[twentythreedom]

there are plenty of tv preachers who believe what they say and their ideas are just as crazy as icke's

and Mitt Romney is hoping to run for POTUS, and doing pretty well so far.

 

[TruXta]

...and so fulfil the Mormon prophecy of a true Man of God leading a new theocracy on the path to righteousness.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

Let's be a bit clearer. I think it's fairly ludicrous to describe whether one originates from um, Mars as "positive" or "negative".

If I asked whether it is a positive or negative whether one's ancestry is rooted in America, Africa or Australia, surely you would say no? I would certainly hope so. So what is wrong with Mars? Or Earth?

The reason I said "would it not seem worse the other way around?" is that for those who are territorial about race issues, Mars is where the martians have to be sent back to. There's no value judgment - well not from me anyway.

In your example there is nothing racist about the observation about depression while quite possibly the explanation given is: I am sure I could suggest alternative ones based on vaccination status or perhaps vitamin D depending on the study details. Looks like it's not the case anymore and the Afro-Carribean community has high rates of depression in the UK http://bjp.rcpsych.org/content/180/6/475

If you asked whether it is a positive or negative whether one's ancestory is said to be rooted in America, Africa or Australia, surely you'd say it matters? If not then you're either a fool or a liar; those are the positions available to someone who seeks to defend (in however mealy mouthed and evasive a manner) the idiocy and racism in Icke's Martian drivel.

Louis MacNeice

 

[ViolentPanda]

That's the mentality of the herd - looking for someone, an authority, to follow.

How about making up your own mind on distinct issues? Listening to what someone might have to say on each one and taking it or rejecting as you see fit?

Trans:
"Everyone is sheeple, except me! Mwahahahahahahaha".

 

[ViolentPanda]

Dude, what about Tars Tarkas?

Dirty salmon-thieving Jew otter scum!

 

[ViolentPanda]

Never read John Carter comics or books? He was Martian.

That Edgar Rice Burroughs was a total anti-Semite racist Green-supremacist motherfucker!

 

[ViolentPanda]

there are plenty of tv preachers who believe what they say and their ideas are just as crazy as icke's

Yeah, but they're a bit more entertaining than Icke, especially when they do the patented Mark E. Smith enunciation.

 

[ViolentPanda]

...and so fulfil the Mormon prophecy of a true Man of God leading a new theocracy on the path to righteousness.

Shades of Nehemiah Scudder!

 

[TruXta]

Shades of Nehemiah Scudder!

Worst part is it's true. Romney's been groomed since young age for just that very purpose.

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

Mitochondrial Eve, somewhere in East Africa about 200,000 years ago. We're all descended from her. The subsequent pattern of migration and the times, ways and reasons why various traits that have become associated with the concept 'race' evolved are now becoming really quite well understood.
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The weird thing is that icke does actually subscribe to this (though he says the aliens seeded the eve human/s) and give it as an example of proof of alien interference. A few paragraphs later he brings in the mars men and contradicts himself.

 

[goldenecitrone]

The weird thing is that icke does actually subscribe to this (though he says the aliens seeded the eve human/s) and give it as an example of proof of alien interference. A few paragraphs later he brings in the mars men and contradicts himself.

Oh dear, not this can of wormholes again.

 

[Jazzz]

All human DNA has been traced back to African origins. Don't you know that?

No, all humans have been traced back to a common African ancestor (unless you want to bring Mars into it). That isn't the same as saying all human DNA came from Africa.

 

[TruXta]

No, all humans have been traced back to a common African ancestor (unless you want to bring Mars into it). That isn't the same as saying all human DNA came from Africa.

Same difference, Mr. Anti-semite Enabler.

 

[Jazzz]

If you asked whether it is a positive or negative whether one's ancestory is said to be rooted in America, Africa or Australia, surely you'd say it matters? If not then you're either a fool or a liar; those are the positions available to someone who seeks to defend (in however mealy mouthed and evasive a manner) the idiocy and racism in Icke's Martian drivel.

Louis MacNeice

This is very simple - if you place a value judgment on where someone comes from, that is racism. There is nothing 'foolish' about not doing so: it is a necessary condition not to exhibit racism.

So I ask you: does it matter where someone comes from?

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

Jazzz, are you ever going to give us your opinion on the Protocols? Just curious like.

 

[Jazzz]

Same difference, Mr. Anti-semite Enabler.

It's not the same at all.

 

[TruXta]

It's not the same at all.

Of course not.

 

[Jazzz]

Jazzz, are you ever going to give us your opinion on the Protocols? Just curious like.

I've never read them, so it's bit hard to give an opinion, not that I have any obligation to in any case.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

I've never read them either, not the whole lot. Do they turn into Tolstoy?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

This is very simple - if you place a value judgment on where someone comes from, that is racism. There is nothing 'foolish' about not doing so: it is a necessary condition not to exhibit racism.

So I ask you: does it matter where someone comes from?

I'll answer that. It matters if someone thinks that white people come from Mars. That matters rather a lot.

It also matters if someone is pushing the ideas of a person who thinks that.

 

[Blagsta]

I've never read them, so it's bit hard to give an opinion, not that I have any obligation to in any case.

It's hard to give an opinion? Really? It's hard to have an opinion on probably the most notorious anti-semitic propaganda ever?

 

[Lock&Light]

No, all humans have been traced back to a common African ancestor (unless you want to bring Mars into it). That isn't the same as saying all human DNA came from Africa.

Do you believe that there is a difference of origin between the DNA of "white" people and that of "black" people?

If not, why are you arguing?

 

[FridgeMagnet]

It's hard to give an opinion? Really? It's hard to have an opinion on probably the most notorious anti-semitic propaganda ever?

I bet you haven't read the whole lot either, you sheeple. Or Mein Kampf.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

I've never read them, so it's bit hard to give an opinion, not that I have any obligation to in any case.

Is that really the best you can come up with?

Pathetic.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Do you believe that there is a difference of origin between the DNA of "white" people and that of "black" people?

If not, why are you arguing?

Well obviously the Martians interbred a bit with the Earth people, having evolved on Mars into beings that were sexually compatible with Earth-humans, natch.

 

[TruXta]

I bet you haven't read the whole lot either, you sheeple. Or Mein Kampf.

I tried with MK, I really did. It's just so fucking tedious.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

I tried with MK, I really did. It's just so fucking tedious.

I think the only reasonable thing to do, in that case, is maintain a complete neutrality towards it.

 

[TruXta]

I think the only reasonable thing to do, in that case, is maintain a complete neutrality towards it.

Yeah right. You try that and report back eh?

 

[Blagsta]

Is that really the best you can come up with?

Pathetic.

Of course he's not gonna come with anything else. It's impossible for him, given his delusional belief system to come up with anything else.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

Of course he's not gonna come with anything else. It's impossible for him, given his delusional belief system to come up with anything else.

I know, it's just interesting to see his desperate, cowardly wriggling.