David Icke banned off Facebook
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Yeah, I’ve said as much that some of the stuff he’s talked about before has been interesting, quite liberal and anti- police state/authoritarianism.
I'm sure there's a handful of anti-Semites and wrong uns who occasionally say "interesting" things.
Not so sure urban should be giving them a platform, mind.
Or their fans.
Not so sure urban should be giving them a platform, mind.
Or their fans.
Proper Tidy
Arsed
Have you ever heard the phrase 'the socialism of fools'
Shit troll TBH.
Orang Utan
They cannot crucify you if your hand is in a fist
no, i have read your posts and it's very difficult working out what you are trying to say or refer to
Humberto
anthropocene participant
Sound. Well I can't help that. I'm thinking I've had enough of this lark anyway.
keybored
Well done. You remember cat good.
I like your posts.
Humberto
anthropocene participant
Proper Tidy
Arsed
I'd you read your link you'd have noticed in the second para that the phrase goes back to the century before last too
Orang Utan
They cannot crucify you if your hand is in a fist
Why is this small bean regarder still here?
Proper Tidy
Arsed
It means exactly what I was referring to on the previous page
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
I've got him on ignore, which does make threads like this nonsensical. Occassionally take him off to have a brief look, roll my eyes, and then stick him back on. Have no idea why (or how) he's still here tbh.
You may have a point regarding ‘conspiracy theories’ coming more from the right wing but perhaps it’s not exclusive.
As for anti-semitism (in any form) who the fuck would promote that kind of hate as a selling point, it’s absolutely toxic, you’ve just got to see what is done to the Labour Party.
Proper Tidy
Arsed
Never mind
bimble
floofy
Ugh was trying to remember the name of that thing all day yesterday. Ducking zeitgeist that was the last straw of a friendship few years back. Exactly, the questions people want answered are the right questions it’s just that the answers they settle for are shit.
You and all the other little shit rats, floating down the shit river, heading for the shit falls.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
As I recall it that zietgeist shit was around at the same time as the
Occupy movement. Which itself went loon central very quickly. Weird time where I first heard of the jazz hands and tibetan singing bowls stuff...contemporary ritual clowning. fgdsk
Occupy movement. Which itself went loon central very quickly. Weird time where I first heard of the jazz hands and tibetan singing bowls stuff...contemporary ritual clowning. fgdsk
bimble
floofy
It’s not ever ’ promoted as the selling point’ , it is the product though once people have bought into the stuff .
I'm not sure it's fair to just relate it to psychedelic drug use but it's undeniable that the 90s rave scene was pretty fertile ground for conspiracy theories, that Icke's wider emergence was largely a part of that, and that this happened particularly within the trance/Pendragon/Escape From Samsara/psy-trance type scenes which overtly embraced mysticism. This combined with a wider growing distrust of corporations, particularly 'big phama', the emergence of pseudo pagan ideas on the fringes of environmentalism, the alternative health movement and a rejection of mainstream culture and lifestyles, as well, as on the more political end of the spectrum an as it turned out wholly legitimate paranoia about undercover cops and state intrusion into the scene*. Within that mix there emerged a strong mystical element, looking for a new religion and for some hope, and they found it in the works of Icke, but also associated nonsense like Graham Hancock and ancient astronaut theories, lots of new agey ideas about healthcare as well as some of the more wacky stuff put out by people like Tim Leary and Robert Anton Wilson (and more dubious characters) which had been rediscovered.
I think that started to fracture as fashions changed and lots of people got a bit more serious and fell into the anti-capitalist movement, or more credible environmental politics, whilst others drifted away leaving either the casualties or the zealots who found themeselves reinvigorated and pushed more into the mainstream after 9/11 when conspiracy theorists developed into a more organised and active force. But there's no doubt that period changed the nature of conspiracy theory from openly right wing gun nuts in the states going on about alien abductions to something that was more atractive to young bored alienated people whose instincts were probably more left-leaning than anything else.
* I myself was utterly convinced that an organised far right attempt to infiltrate the psy-trance scene was taking place around 2000. I had reasons, and I'm still not sure I was wrong, but it could well have been my own drug induced paranoia that fuelled it.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
" A stopped clock is right twice a day".
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Think that's a pretty good take on it tbh. The environmental element to it can be under-rated, the mistrust and fear of 'big pharma' and the scene around health and organic food was always going to be fertile ground for that stuff to take hold. The whole 'we're being poisoned by chemicals/vaccines etc.' was rife and formed a big motivating factor for some people's involved in environmental activity. Some of the stuff around J18 and the focus on banking finance and its attached conspiratorial thinking that was then shortly followed by 9/11 which all helped (jet) fuel it as well.
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