Dance troupe Diversity's Black Lives Matter performance receives 24,000 complaints

[Athos]

They’re either wankers or whiners, certainly. “What about myyyyyy life? Why isn’t this all about meeeeeee?”

For most, I don't think they want it to be about them. Rather they feel that it's just not something for them to get involved with, despite the fact they have no truck with racism. (To be clear, that's not solely becuase of the name.)

 

[littlebabyjesus]

That is facile though. yes the world is full of morons and wankers and whiners, that doesn't have any meaning.

What is interesting is that this piece of performance art about racism was broadcasted on public television and generated a load of complaints., probably more positivity.
But there is a sentiment that is interesting about how people are offended by it even though they don't think that they are racist.

No there isn't. You're conflating two things here. What athos is talking about - ie people being put off by the name and thinking it's not for them - is not at all the same as anyone offended by this performance. Let's have some clarity here: anyone actually or pretending to be offended by this can fuck the fuck off, the racist cunts.

Nothing interesting about any of them and their offence-taking. The reasons for it will be all too predictably ignorant and sad and fucked up and hateful and racist.

 

[freakydave]

No there isn't. You're conflating two things here. What athos is talking about - ie people being put off by the name and thinking it's not for them - is not at all the same as anyone offended by this performance. Let's have some clarity here: anyone actually or pretending to be offended by this can fuck the fuck off, the racist cunts.

To take their side, people watch something like Britain Has Talent because they know that it's mindless and they want to see Ant n Dec gurning and people singing rubbish songs and so on. What they are objecting to is that it's not mindless

There are a lot of people who should be allies who are turned off by the whole 'fuck off' mentality.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

To take their side, people watch something like Britain Has Talent because they know that it's mindless and they want to see Ant n Dec gurning and people singing rubbish songs and so on. What they are objecting to is that it's not mindless

There are a lot of people who should be allies who are turned off by the whole 'fuck off' mentality.

Did you even read my post. You're talking about people who write in to complain about a dance routine with an anti-racism message on TV. Every single last one of them can fuck off.

Unlike you, however, I don't think they represent anything other than a very small minority.

 

[freakydave]

Did you even read my post. You're talking about people who write in to complain about a dance routine with an anti-racism message on TV. Every single last one of them can fuck off.

Unlike you, however, I don't think they represent anything other than a very small minority.

I was more on about the sentiment which is a real thing and isn't entirely made up. Anyone who writes in to Britain's got talent can fuck off, even if they just wanted to say thank you lol

But the complaints are expressing a real thing about how the BLM movement feels alienating to many people who are not racist because of the reasons that this thread has gone into. I don't think that it is a small minority of people at all, it is a tiny minority who are racist, but people who are scared and confused by this stuff are very commonplace

 

[littlebabyjesus]

As others have said, the numbers and timings involved in these complaints have more than a whiff of a coordinated far-right action. Assuming that to be a reflection of something significant in the wider population is giving these cunts exactly the victory they are after.

Some people need to be persuaded. Others need to be defeated. This group of complainers belong to the second group.

 

[freakydave]

As others have said, the numbers and timings involved in these complaints have more than a whiff of a coordinated far-right action. Assuming that to be a reflection of something significant in the wider population is giving these cunts exactly the victory they are after.

I agree with that but I don't think that it's wrong for people to be confused and scared. That is part of the positive aspects of it, the fact that we live in a racist society is confusing and scary

 

[Marty1]

I was more on about the sentiment which is a real thing and isn't entirely made up. Anyone who writes in to Britain's got talent can fuck off, even if they just wanted to say thank you lol

But the complaints are expressing a real thing about how the BLM movement feels alienating to many people who are not racist because of the reasons that this thread has gone into. I don't think that it is a small minority of people at all, it is a tiny minority who are racist, but people who are scared and confused by this stuff are very commonplace

Maybe some people watch BGT for entertainment and don’t particularly want political messaging (regardless of the cause) involved?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Anyone who writes in to Britain's got talent can fuck off, even if they just wanted to say thank you lol

No.

And with that, I will try to stay away from you. Martycunt's turned up so you can chat with him and the thread can go down the drain.

 

[freakydave]

Maybe some people watch BGT for entertainment and don’t particularly want political messaging (regardless of the cause) involved?

Yes but entertainment is political. The fact that it is supposed to be apolitical and mindless is a political statement, and it seems that people complaining about it was an overtly political statement engineered by right wing interest groups

 

[freakydave]

No.

And with that, I will try to stay away from you. Martycunt's turned up so you can chat with him and the thread can go down the drain.

I really appreciate discussion and disagreement with people because I am trying to sort my thinking out. I get that it's annoying because I have similar discussions with people that annoy me but I don't think that any of it is in vain.

In my defence I do make an effort to be positive because I enjoy the learning but I am aware that often I will talk rubbish and often I don't understand people or they don't understand me

 

[Marty1]

Yes but entertainment is political. The fact that it is supposed to be apolitical and mindless is a political statement, and it seems that people complaining about it was an overtly political statement engineered by right wing interest groups

I haven’t been keeping up with this story tbh - is there evidence that these complaints were engineered by right wing interest groups?

 

[freakydave]

I haven’t been keeping up with this story tbh - is there evidence that these complaints were engineered by right wing interest groups?

There were a couple of hundred when it was broadcast and then the Daily Mail and so on made a big deal out of it and 1000s of people called in to complain 2 days later

It's discussed at around page 2 of this thread haha

 

[Marty1]

There were a couple of hundred when it was broadcast and then the Daily Mail and so on made a big deal out of it and 1000s of people called in to complain 2 days later

It's discussed at around page 2 of this thread haha

So just speculation.

 

[editor]

So just speculation.

But hardly an improbable scenario given the issues.

 

[freakydave]

So just speculation.

well yes and no. it is not really disputed that the media is engineered for political aims

 

[littlebabyjesus]

But hardly an improbable scenario given the issues.

More than that, it is something we know can and does happen (and not just done by the right), so the timings are more than suspicious. They stink.

And as I said above, one aim of that would be to produce the impression of a significant number of non-political people being offended by the presence of politics on a game show. Reality being that it is a bunch of highly political people stirring shit. It is imperative not to fall into such an obvious trap.

 

[belboid]

I don’t think anyone has claimed the complaints were ‘engineered’ - but simply that they were from right wingers who were encouraged by other right wing outrage.

 

[Marty1]

But hardly an improbable scenario given the issues.

Yeah, maybe, though I don’t understand what a bunch of racists would be looking to achieve complaining to the broadcaster. I caught the backend of Radio 1 news yesterday who reported that no action is going to be taken.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I don’t think anyone has claimed the complaints were ‘engineered’ - but simply that they were from right wingers who were encouraged by other right wing outrage.

Some, or most, or the vast majority, may well have been engineered to a degree. I wouldn't rule it out, given the timings. Private sections of r/w forums with people talking to each other and encouraging each other to do it. It's exactly the kind of thing we do on here sometimes.

 

[freakydave]

More than that, it is something we know can and does happen (and not just done by the right), so the timings are more than suspicious. They stink.

And as I said above, one aim of that would be to produce the impression of a significant number of non-political people being offended by the presence of politics on a game show. Reality being that it is a bunch of highly political people stirring shit. It is imperative not to fall into such an obvious trap.

But I do think that it represents a sentiment that is not invented by right wing special interests. People should be scared and confused because it's a very scary and confusing topic.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Yeah, maybe, though I don’t understand what a bunch of racists would be looking to achieve complaining to the broadcaster. I caught the backend of Radio 1 news yesterday who reported that no action is going to be taken.

In order to get twats like you talking on forums about how lots of people don't want to see politics on prime time TV.

 

[freakydave]

Yeah, maybe, though I don’t understand what a bunch of racists would be looking to achieve complaining to the broadcaster. I caught the backend of Radio 1 news yesterday who reported that no action is going to be taken.

The idea is to normalise opposition to BLM. Because 1000s of people called in it marginalises what was a very mainstream piece of art.

 

[Reno]

Unlike you, however, I don't think they represent anything other than a very small minority.

The people who bother to officially complain may be a relatively small minority but the large numbers who did complain are a sign that more and more people feel emboldened in making their bigoted views public. The complainers are just the tip of the iceberg.

 

[Athos]

It seems to me to proably be a concerted effort by right wingers to object to the content of those politics under the pretext of objecting to any politics being aired in a light entertinment show.

 

[belboid]

The people who bother to officially complain may be a relatively small minority but the large numbers who did complain are a sign that more and more people feel emboldened in making their bigoted views public. The complainers are just the tip of the iceberg.

Sadly, I don’t think there is any doubt about that

 

[freakydave]

I do think that there is something that alienates people from BLM that is not just their racism. I can't really express it. I mean, the word is 'alienation' but it is something that I am not going to put my foot in my mouth trying to get to grips with again.

 

[krtek a houby]

Well for me personally the big reservation that I have about it is that there are just not that many black people where I came from. Lots of Indians and Pakistanis and quite a few Chinese and Europeans, but we were too poor to get black people.

What does this mean?

 

[Treacle Toes]

What does this mean?

Good question... Do Black people only live in certain working class but not 'that poor' communities? Eh?

 

[Treacle Toes]

I do think that there is something that alienates people from BLM that is not just their racism. I can't really express it. I mean, the word is 'alienation' but it is something that I am not going to put my foot in my mouth trying to get to grips with again.

Lack of experience, association, Identification? Sense of 'well we all have it shit'? What do you mean I/we work on addressing internalised racism, it's clearly all about class?