Dance troupe Diversity's Black Lives Matter performance receives 24,000 complaints

[belboid]

Lol. My position - what is i.e. that the slogan has weaknesses- has a lot more practical use in the fight against racism than yours - what should be i.e. that the slogan ought not to be contentious.

Your position is to weaken the current movement, those who find it contentious are either reactionaries are largely passive commentators. Neither are of much use in building a movement that will actually fight racism. Jolly interesting dinner party discussions though.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

It’s a strange fact that immigrant incomers will end up in working class communities to serve the interests of capital. This existed for (centuries?) but the sharp turn comes when there’s a shortage of housing and amenities. This aids the politics of the far right.
What liberals appear to do is abandon the above and then disregard them as racists if they dare to complain. This needs to be understood with regards to what I am saying.
So there’s a new movement called BLM that ticks all the boxes for those of a particular political bent. But it just winds up further those who are struggling economically to be called ‘privileged’ in times where there’s nothing.
This is sometimes difficult to understand with people who have been to university and always had food on the table but it’s fucking dangerous.

Exactly why this needs not to be 'black vs white'. Luckily it isn't. And yes, I do actually agree that the phrase 'white privilege' is often not helpful, partly because it can be misunderstood and partly because if you're going down that road, there are lots and lots of 'privileges' that people can have or not have.

 

[Guineveretoo]

It was on the last page, just above your posts.

ETA, sorry, the last page was the OFCOM conclusion, which is the most important one.

The post above my comments has nothing to do with OFCOM or ITV statement, so I am not sure what you are on about.

I was merely sharing something I saw on twitter, because it was relevant to this thread.

 

[freakydave]

A big part of the power sharing in the USA seems to be the Republican party aiming for the white working class and the Democrat party aiming for the POC working class.
I think that the anger at the Democrats for doing that is really underestimated, not because of racism because they are meant to represent something better.
The left is against fascism and privilege so we are harder to placate. it's not enough to have a BLM dance routine and clapping pots outside for the NHS, that is crumbs from the table not a place at the table

 

[Guineveretoo]

In terms of asking, “how can somebody hate this thing I love?”, it’s always worth reflecting that the features which inspired you to love it might be the very same ones that inspire somebody else to hate it. The opposite of love is not hate, it’s apathy. If something provokes a reaction, there’s no reason to expect it to be the same reaction in everybody.

I don't think anyone is saying that. The thread isn't about love and hate. I don't expect people to like/enjoy everything that I like/enjoy.

What mystifies me is why anyone would complain about this dance. And I mean anyone.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

I think some people find your class analysis reductive and crude.

But they would. Wouldn’t they?

 

[kabbes]

I don't think anyone is saying that. The thread isn't about love and hate. I don't expect people to like/enjoy everything that I like/enjoy.

What mystifies me is why anyone would complain about this dance. And I mean anyone.

It provoked a strong reaction in you. Why would it not in others?

 

[cupid_stunt]

The post above my comments has nothing to do with OFCOM or ITV statement, so I am not sure what you are on about.

I said it was just above your posts, not in the actual post just above, sorry if you missed it & can't scroll back four posts, so I'll quote it for you.

Ofcom have called bullshit on the complaints.

The ITV statement is 2 days old, and released before the OFCOM ruling.

 

[8ball]

The ITV statement is 2 days old, and released before the OFCOM ruling.

Seems a bit disingenuous to pretend there was no “explicit reference to any particular political organisation”, but hey ho, was good that they stood up for it.

 

[Treacle Toes]

It provoked a strong reaction in you. Why would it not in others?

Apathy leads people to switch off or over, or keep scrolling online.
It's definitely a 'strong reaction' that leads people to complain to ITV and Ofcom.

Personally I think the mass complaining about this was an orchestrated thing probably promoted on Parler or Reddit.

Amazing really because the people I see the most on SM demanding an end to 'cancel culture' when people call out bigots or objectionable behaviour are pretty much the same people who would take their time to promote a mass 'cancelling' like this, retweeting Lozza Bellend Fox, campaigning to keep singing Rule Britannia at The Proms they've never watched and calling Jim Davidson a 'legend' on account of him still being a racist fuckwit.

 

[8ball]

Personally I think the mass complaining about this was an orchestrated thing probably promoted on Parler or Reddit.

With most of the complaints coming in days after the initial flurry, I’d say you’re bang on the money there.

 

[strung out]

Apathy leads people to switch off or over, or keep scrolling online.
It's definitely a 'strong reaction' that leads people to complain to ITV and Ofcom.

Personally I think the mass complaining about this was an orchestrated thing probably promoted on Parler or Reddit.

Amazing really because the people I see the most on SM demanding an end to 'cancel culture' when people call out bigots or objectionable behaviour are pretty much the same people who would take their time to promote a mass 'cancelling' like this, retweeting Lozza Bellend Fox, campaigning to keep singing Rule Britannia at The Proms they've never watched and calling Jim Davidson a 'legend' on account of him still being a racist fuckwit.

More likely Facebook or Twitter than Reddit.

 

[Guineveretoo]

I said it was just above your posts, not in the actual post just above, sorry if you missed it & can't scroll back four posts, so I'll quote it for you.



The ITV statement is 2 days old, and released before the OFCOM ruling.

Oh, I can't read twitter posts that are embedded on here because of my settings.

So I hadn't seen it at all.

But it certainly wasn't just above my post. On my computer, anyway.

Sorry for offending you by inadvertently putting up a statement that everyone had seen and which was a couple of days old! I can't say I won't do it again because I am sure I will.

 

[Treacle Toes]

More likely Facebook or Twitter than Reddit.

You could be right, I referred to Reddit because I have seen some god awful shit/targeted stuff being promoted there. The important part of my point was the fact I believe it was orchestrated and promoted. It was a deliberate thing rather than all those people/viewers being 'outraged' independently.

 

[strung out]

You could be right, I referred to Reddit because I have seen some god awful shit/targeted stuff being promoted there. The important part of my point was the fact I believe it was orchestrated and promoted. It was a deliberate thing rather than all those people/viewers being 'outraged' independently.

Completely agree, I just think people have this weird opinion of Reddit, when the same (often far worse) stuff is going on on more popular platforms we use every day.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Completely agree, I just think people have this weird opinion of Reddit, when the same (often far worse) stuff is going on on more popular platforms we use every day.

LOL I wasn't hating on Reddit in particular.

 

[killer b]

Completely agree, I just think people have this weird opinion of Reddit, when the same (often far worse) stuff is going on on more popular platforms we use every day.

there are right-wing meme groups on facebook that dwarf the membership of minor sites like Parler, and are a much more significant driver of mass campaigns like this.

 

[Pickman's model]

I find it odd that BLM was born in the US and spread to the UK some 4,000+ miles away yet the same concern has never been considered for those living in eg Equatorial Guinea. It’s almost as if black lives don’t matter at all unless there’s a racially divisive angle to be gained by those seeking it.

This isn't the first iteration of BLM in the UK. And obvs in countries where you have a predominantly white police force being systematically racist to bame people and black lives are devalued it's going to be different to eg. I think you're seeing this from the wrong end of the telescope, because until black lives matter as much as white in the UK all lives as I said above are undervalued - just as until all prisoners are free we are all imprisoned

 

[8ball]

Completely agree, I just think people have this weird opinion of Reddit, when the same (often far worse) stuff is going on on more popular platforms we use every day.

I guess if you’re on Fb or Twitter, the filters shield you from that kind of shit, whereas Reddit is more haphazard in terms of where you end up, so it seems more visible.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

This isn't the first iteration of BLM in the UK. And obvs in countries where you have a predominantly white police force being systematically racist to bame people and black lives are devalued it's going to be different to eg. I think you're seeing this from the wrong end of the telescope, because until black lives matter as much as white in the UK all lives as I said above are undervalued - just as until all prisoners are free we are all imprisoned

I agree with all of that mate it’s the liberal ‘white privilege’ shit that boils my piss. Which is clearly the liberal idpol narrative kicking into action. And how does that aid a wc counter power? They may as well be the edl.

 

[krtek a houby]

A leader of BLM in America was interviewed on Fox News where he stated that they (BLM) would burn down the system if they didn’t get what they wanted (or words to similar effect).

Ive now seen criticism of BLM portraying them as a Marxist group.

I'll just bet you have.

You've learnt that linking to your far right sites doesn't fly here and are now reduced to sketchy commentary on them.

The system does need dismantling, and even if BLM was a Marxist group, well, so fucking what?

 

[Treacle Toes]

I guess if you’re on Fb or Twitter, the filters shield you from that kind of shit, whereas Reddit is more haphazard in terms of where you end up, so it seems more visible.

Good points. I never see any of it unless I go looking for it or someone I am linked to deliberately exposes it by sharing or retweeting it. It's like an alternative reality in that regard.

 

[Athos]

Your position is to weaken the current movement, those who find it contentious are either reactionaries are largely passive commentators. Neither are of much use in building a movement that will actually fight racism. Jolly interesting dinner party discussions though.

I've been on more than one BLM-led protest (as well as many other anti-racism activities, going back years). Agreeing with a movement's core goal doesn't mean you must think it's 100% right about everything, or that you shouldn't voice that disagreement, or that by doing so you weaken the movement. But intersting that your frame of reference is dinner parties.

 

[8ball]

Good points. I never see any of it unless I go looking for it or someone I am linked to deliberately exposes it by sharing or retweeting it. It's like an alternative reality in that regard.

Yeah, everything is viewed through these prisms they build for you.

I’m undecided over whether it would be better to see the full horror of the cesspit or not.

 

[krtek a houby]

I agree with all of that mate it’s the liberal ‘white privilege’ shit that boils my piss. Which is clearly the liberal idpol narrative kicking into action. And how does that aid a wc counter power? They may as well be the edl.

White privilege is a reality. It's being able to go into a Starbucks without the cops being called on you, being able to go to the park without the cops being called out, being able to walk down the road, and have the cops called simply because you're black.

The "Karens" who are doing all the cop calling are white, and the victims are black.

It may well boil your piss, but that's actual racism being played out, daily.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Yeah, everything is viewed through these prisms they build for you.

I’m undecided over whether it would be better to see the full horror of the cesspit or not.

I ask myself similar to be honest. I've decided that I am gonna treat it like I treat other parts of my life...we all make choices about the friends we have, what publications we read, what kind of events we are interested in etc. I go looking for it when I feel I need to, when it serves a purpose.

Plus interacting with it all the time causes anxiety, anger and stress which I need to control for obvious reasons. I already have to deal with some of the shitty parts of life and the failings of the system through my work so I need some off time to recover from that and actually enjoy being alive sometimes.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

White privilege is a reality. It's being able to go into a Starbucks without the cops being called on you, being able to go to the park without the cops being called out, being able to walk down the road, and have the cops called simply because you're black.

The "Karens" who are doing all the cop calling are white, and the victims are black.

It may well boil your piss, but that's actual racism being played out, daily.

Funny that you never offered the same considerations for NI Catholics.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Funny that you never offered the same considerations for NI Catholics.

BBC Voice:
* other forms of discrimination are available *

It's not either/or. The discrimination against catholics in NI falls very much into the same box.

 

[krtek a houby]

Funny that you never offered the same considerations for NI Catholics.

And just what has this whiffy beefy bullshit got to do with the topic?

 

[freakydave]

Yeah, everything is viewed through these prisms they build for you.

I’m undecided over whether it would be better to see the full horror of the cesspit or not.

The popularisation of this stuff is a result of the filters. The social media platforms are set up to garner attention and reward attention seeking. If there were some way to make these things reward good points and intelligent debate then it would be a great thing to have these platforms controlled by algorithms, but it is nowhere near that level of advanced. We'd absolutely be better off not seeing stuff through these filters, I was into 4Chan as a teenager and it was barely filtered and rightly so most people hated it because it was so full of mental illness, the culture now has made the same mental illness filtered and acceptable.