Dance troupe Diversity's Black Lives Matter performance receives 24,000 complaints

[weltweit]

Well I thought it was good.

No complaints from me.

 

[cyril_smear]

I saw Piers Morgan the other morning in reference to this, pointing out that a good number of the people who have complained to Ofcom about his bollocking of tory ministers during the pandemic hadn't actually watched the interviews. Ss he said, its quite probable a lot of the numbskulls who bothered to complain about this performance didn't actually see it.

I don't think piers has interviewed any tory ministers during the pandemic.

 

[Treacle Toes]

I don't think piers has interviewed any tory ministers during the pandemic.

He did until they started boycotting GMB because of his hectoring interviewing style.

 

[Ax^]

A leader of BLM in America was interviewed on Fox News where he stated that they (BLM) would burn down the system if they didn’t get what they wanted (or words to similar effect).

Ive now seen criticism of BLM portraying them as a Marxist group.

Fuck off Marty1

 

[cyril_smear]

He did until they started boycotting GMB because of his hectoring interviewing style.

I'm surprised anybody with any kind of clout would agree to be "interviewed" by him.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Sigh

 

[Treacle Toes]

I'm surprised anybody with any kind of clout would agree to be "interviewed" by him.

It's the GMB audience they want access to, the interviewer is secondary.

 

[cyril_smear]

It's the GMB audience they want access to, the interviewer is secondary.

Ye I get that. But as you alluded to, you don't go on GMB and not end up looking like silly.

I won't complain about piers moron losing viewers, it might get him off the television.

 

[Shechemite]

sounds a lot like your saying people standing up against the racism they experience are only making it worse for themselves because racists are wrongly interpreting it as being "AGAINST white identity/culture".

‘White lives don’t matter’. ‘We don’t want to kill Whitey yes we do (snigger)’ etc.

This stuff does give fuel to white idpol doesn’t it

 

[krtek a houby]

I was into 4Chan as a teenager and it was barely filtered and rightly so most people hated it because it was so full of mental illness, the culture now has made the same mental illness filtered and acceptable.

Never delved into 4Chan, can you explain what you're referring to when you say mental illness?

 

[freakydave]

Never delved into 4Chan, can you explain what you're referring to when you say mental illness?

4Chan was a board like this except that you didn't have to register to post so nobody could be banned

It was mostly dark jokes, but there was also a lot of Nazi and paedophile stuff, and just generally dysfunctional people. It's where that Anonymous movement came from and it evolved into all kinds of weird stuff

There is a guy called Dale Beran who was really into it and has written and talked about it quite a lot, I'd recommend watching his TED talks or reading his articles about it

 

[krtek a houby]

4Chan was a board like this except that you didn't have to register to post so nobody could be banned

It was mostly dark jokes, but there was also a lot of Nazi and paedophile stuff, and just generally dysfunctional people. It's where that Anonymous movement came from and it evolved into all kinds of weird stuff

There is a guy called Dale Beran who was really into it and has written and talked about it quite a lot, I'd recommend watching his TED talks or reading his articles about it

Sounds ugly, think I'll give it a hard pass, ta.

 

[freakydave]

Sounds ugly, think I'll give it a hard pass, ta.

It was ugly but it had some of that idealism that the first version of the internet had, the idea of decentralisation and freedom. I don't know what it's like nowadays, but it is an incredibly important part of how we got to where we are

 

[belboid]

I've been on more than one BLM-led protest (as well as many other anti-racism activities, going back years). Agreeing with a movement's core goal doesn't mean you must think it's 100% right about everything, or that you shouldn't voice that disagreement, or that by doing so you weaken the movement. But intersting that your frame of reference is dinner parties.

If you’ve been on the demos you’ll have seen that they are the biggest anti-racism demos in decades. That they have been the most militant in decades and they have actually led to a mainstream discussion about racism, empire and class. All under this supposedly weak and divisive slogan. I’d be intrigued to hear your improved suggestion.

Would you have similarly objected to ‘bread peace and land’ because it excluded coeliacs and didn’t explicitly mention class?

 

[Marty1]

I agree with all of that mate it’s the liberal ‘white privilege’ shit that boils my piss. Which is clearly the liberal idpol narrative kicking into action. And how does that aid a wc counter power? They may as well be the edl.

Yes, the proletariat is all races and ethnicities - all exploited by capitalism. Dividing the proletariat via white privilege can only hinder cross- racial solidarity against its oppressors.

 

[krtek a houby]

Yes, the proletariat is all races and ethnicities - all exploited by capitalism. Dividing the proletariat via white privilege can only hinder cross- racial solidarity against its oppressors.

So in the meantime, what would you like black people to do? Accept the way things are?

 

[8ball]

So in the meantime, what would you like black people to do? Accept the way things are?

I’d expect conservative black people to actively support the way things are. Words meaning what they do and that...

 

[Athos]

If you’ve been on the demos you’ll have seen that they are the biggest anti-racism demos in decades. That they have been the most militant in decades and they have actually led to a mainstream discussion about racism, empire and class. All under this supposedly weak and divisive slogan. I’d be intrigued to hear your improved suggestion.

Would you have similarly objected to ‘bread peace and land’ because it excluded coeliacs and didn’t explicitly mention class?

Yes, I think the movement, whilst not perfect, has done a great deal of good. And I'm pleased it hasn't disappeared down the idpol rabbit hole I feared it would at the very beginning.

To me, the weakness of the slogan isn't that it doesn't mention class (or coeliacs - that was quite witty for you), but that it lends itself to the obvious "all lives matter", "white lives matter, too" etc. response we've seen. Like it or not, the right have exploited that to undermine class solidarity, causing a significant number of white would-be comrades to fear (wrongly, of course) it's an anti-white movement.

I've not given a lot of thought to an alternative name. Though I guess I'd go for something that expresses solidarity, is explicitly anti-racist, and alludes to the fact that there are other stands of the struggle. Just off the top of my head, something like 'Together Against Racism'. With other protests under the 'Together' banner being e.g. '... for the Environment', '... Against Cuts', or '... Against Sexism'. Clearly situating anti- racism as part of a broader left movement, and building inclusive networks rather than single-issue silos.

 

[freakydave]

Yes, I think the movement, whilst not perfect, has done a great deal of good. And I'm pleased it hasn't disappeared down the idpol rabbit hole I feared it would at the very beginning.

To me, the weakness of the slogan isn't that it doesn't mention class (or coeliacs - that was quite witty for you), but that it lends itself to the obvious "all lives matter", "white lives matter, too" etc. response we've seen. Like it or not, the right have exploited that to undermine class solidarity, causing a significant number of white would-be comrades to fear (wrongly, of course) it's an anti-white movement.

I've not given a lot of thought to an alternative name. Though I guess I'd go for something that expresses solidarity, is explicitly anti-racist, and alludes to the fact that there are other stands of the struggle. Just off the top of my head, something like 'Together Against Racism'. With other protests under the 'Together' banner being e.g. '... for the Environment', '... Against Cuts', or '... Against Sexism'. Clearly situating anti- racism as part of a broader left movement, and building inclusive networks rather than single-issue silos.

#workers of the world unite

 

[Athos]

#workers of the world unite

I have to admit that was my first thought! But it has some 'issues.'

 

[ska invita]

‘White lives don’t matter’. ‘We don’t want to kill Whitey yes we do (snigger)’ etc.
This stuff does give fuel to white idpol doesn’t it

I've no idea what you're talking about. Was this some follow up freestyle dance routine?

 

[Steel Icarus]

Though I guess I'd go for something that expresses solidarity, is explicitly anti-racist, and alludes to the fact that there are other stands of the struggle. Just off the top of my head, something like 'Together Against Racism'.

That acronym is most unfortunate, easily exploitable by racists especially in the USA and the right wing media

 

[Athos]

That acronym is most unfortunate, easily exploitable by racists especially in the USA and the right wing media

Fair point. As I said, I only have it a few minutes thought. Maybe something like 'Together Opposing Racism', then?

 

[Athos]

I've no idea what you're talking about. Was this some follow up freestyle dance routine?

An academic tweeted that white lives don't matter (she meant 'as white lives' i.e. that whiteness should be abolished), and a comedian on the BBC joke about killing whitey not being the meaning of BLM (with an obviously comic aside that it was really). Both of which have been a gift to the right (which has affected outrage and deliberately misinterpreted) in portraying BLM as anti-white.

 

[Steel Icarus]

Fair point. As I said, I only have it a few minutes thought. Maybe something like 'Together Opposing Racism', then?

Clunky

Movements such as this, it's like band names; beyond a certain point of recognition it doesn't really matter about the name, more the aim. People opposed to it will always find a way to discredit. Like it or not, Black Lives Matter has become incredibly well-known the last year or so.

 

[ska invita]

An academic tweeted that white lives don't matter (she meant 'as white lives' i.e. that whiteness should be abolished), and a comedian on the BBC joke about killing whitey not being the meaning of BLM (with an obviously comic aside that it was really). Both of which have been a gift to the right (which has affected outrage and deliberately misinterpreted) in portraying BLM as anti-white.

Somebody tweeted something!! OMG . I take everything i said back

 

[Athos]

Clunky

Movements such as this, it's like band names; beyond a certain point of recognition it doesn't really matter about the name, more the aim. People opposed to it will always find a way to discredit. Like it or not, Black Lives Matter has become incredibly well-known the last year or so.

I do like it (the movement); just wish the name didn't offer an easy target to opponents.

 

[krtek a houby]

Why should Black people have to find terms to describe systemic racism that are more palatable for white people?

Indeed. What they really need is white people telling them how to organize protests, what slogans to use and the exact parameters of said protests. That's where they've been going wrong all this time.

 

[Athos]

Somebody tweeted something!! OMG . I take everything i said back

The trouble is, as ridiculous as it is, that's how a lot of this shit spreads.

 

[Athos]

Indeed. What they really need is white people telling them how to organize protests, what slogans to use and the exact parameters of said protests. That's where they've been going wrong all this time.

Black people don't need white people telling them what to do. But it's hard to see how anti-racism can succeed without the involvement of white people (if only at the level of them not being racist).