ska invita
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Sone old kool FM peeps involved in this too.... I'm tempted but so many MCs on the bill scares me
... That's okay on a big sound but can be a head ache on a more mid range rig
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Chz
Stark Raving Sane
I love that crescent of houses as you go into Norwood on the east side that follow a loop of the old canal.
Someone's superimposed it on a modern map.
Puddy_Tat
naturally fluffy
lots more on the croydon canal and more detailed maps here
there's a few fragments left, but not a lot. it was bought out by the london and croydon railway, and a lot of it is now the railway line from london bridge to west croydon.
i did contemplate whether it was worth doing an urban walk + drinks event round it, but the bits left are far enough apart for me to have decided against it...
Puddy_Tat
naturally fluffy
the croydon canal ran from a junction with the surrey canal, which in turn ran from the surrey docks.
one of the possible south london 'little venice' spots where the canals met is about here - now near the lewisham council tip.
are you thinking of the surrey iron railway (which was more of a 'plateway' than what is now considered a railway)
Guineveretoo
Mostly bewildered
The lake in north croydon - South Norwood Lake and Grounds - was built as a reservoir to feed the croydon canal.
There used to be boat trips on it - the lake, not the canal - back in the day, and you see the rusted remains of the lift that was used to get the boat in the lake.
There is now a sailing club, and it’s pretty impressive to see the sailing dinghies (or whatever they are) out and about at weekends.
There is also lots of waterfowl there, for those who enjoy that kind of thing, including a bunch of baby Egyptian geese (seems a bit late in the year for them…) and herons and grebe and coots and moorhen and occasional swans (they don’t usually survive the fucking anglers who leave fishing line in which the swans get tangled) as well as varieties of ducks.
And there is a bit of stagnant canal in Betts Park. Mostly renowned for knife attacks, I am afraid.
Can’t think of a pub near either of those, unfortunately.
But there remain a few pubs which mark where the canal used to be.
We once had an Urban meet up in one of those - the Ship - not long before it closed down.
There is one called the Jolly Sailor which has reopened recently, if anyone wants to give that a go. Walking distance from both the lake and Betts Park. Close to Norwood Junction station (that line used to be the canal). When the station first opened it was called the Jolly Sailor.
There used to be boat trips on it - the lake, not the canal - back in the day, and you see the rusted remains of the lift that was used to get the boat in the lake.
There is now a sailing club, and it’s pretty impressive to see the sailing dinghies (or whatever they are) out and about at weekends.
There is also lots of waterfowl there, for those who enjoy that kind of thing, including a bunch of baby Egyptian geese (seems a bit late in the year for them…) and herons and grebe and coots and moorhen and occasional swans (they don’t usually survive the fucking anglers who leave fishing line in which the swans get tangled) as well as varieties of ducks.
And there is a bit of stagnant canal in Betts Park. Mostly renowned for knife attacks, I am afraid.
Can’t think of a pub near either of those, unfortunately.
But there remain a few pubs which mark where the canal used to be.
We once had an Urban meet up in one of those - the Ship - not long before it closed down.
There is one called the Jolly Sailor which has reopened recently, if anyone wants to give that a go. Walking distance from both the lake and Betts Park. Close to Norwood Junction station (that line used to be the canal). When the station first opened it was called the Jolly Sailor.
Miss-Shelf
I'll meet you further on up the road
yes lets have an urban drinks there
Puddy_Tat
naturally fluffy
I was talking to friendofdorothy about the possibility of a S London Drinks (hence thinking about a walk to go with it) some time fairly soon, but don't think we're going to manage it before the festive season starts now.
Maybe one for next year.
and a bit of the towpath (where it didn't quite match the current railway line) in forest hill
friendofdorothy
Solidarity against neoliberalism!
I was thinking of doing a pub thing Xmas NY time in the shelvadine boathouse.
friendofdorothy
Solidarity against neoliberalism!
Shelvadine goat house is very near the jolly sailor. Both are ok and often near empty, so lots of space for urbz
Maggot
The Cake of Liberty
Except when Palace are playing.
Guineveretoo
Mostly bewildered
Great idea. Although I’m not sure what’s happening with the Shelverdine Goat House after Antic went into liquidation.
And it hasn’t managed to recruit kitchen staff for a long time, which is odd.
We use it for meetings and things because it’s always quiet.
Guineveretoo
Mostly bewildered
I haven’t been in the jolly sailor since it reopened, but it’s certainly been busy a few times when I’ve driven past. And has been very noisy.
It was the first pub I went in after moving to the area 23 years ago.
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Guineveretoo
Mostly bewildered
There is a small housing estate near here which corresponds with where the towpath used to be. It’s called Towpath Way. And, in case people haven’t understood the relevance, it then becomes Canal Walk.I was talking to friendofdorothy about the possibility of a S London Drinks (hence thinking about a walk to go with it) some time fairly soon, but don't think we're going to manage it before the festive season starts now.
Maybe one for next year.
and a bit of the towpath (where it didn't quite match the current railway line) in forest hill
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brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Chz
Stark Raving Sane
When did local papers find a voice again?
ska invita
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new book
www.safehavenbooks.co.uk
D. H. Lawrence and David Bowie struggled with being there. Comedians have found it a convenient trope for the philistine and banal. The ‘Croydon facelift’ has become a snobbish putdown. Riots and burning buildings in 2011 didn’t help.
And yet this town halfway between London and Brighton can claim a remarkably distinguished – and hidden – history at the centre of things.
No fewer than 11 archbishops are buried there. Continental air travel – from London’s first airport – began there. In the sixties it was a daring experiment in futuristic brutalist architecture. Its contribution to black culture began with our most notable black composer and culminated in the first black British artist to headline Glastonbury. Its Brit School produced everyone from Adele to Amy Winehouse and Raye. Still want to diss Croydon?
Croydonopolis tells the amazing story of this much-maligned town, whose only fault was to be too far ahead of the curve, and always go for broke.
Will Noble is the Editor of the popular Londonist website. This is his first book. He lives in Croydon.
Croydonopolis — Safe Haven Books
www.safehavenbooks.co.uk
D. H. Lawrence and David Bowie struggled with being there. Comedians have found it a convenient trope for the philistine and banal. The ‘Croydon facelift’ has become a snobbish putdown. Riots and burning buildings in 2011 didn’t help.
And yet this town halfway between London and Brighton can claim a remarkably distinguished – and hidden – history at the centre of things.
No fewer than 11 archbishops are buried there. Continental air travel – from London’s first airport – began there. In the sixties it was a daring experiment in futuristic brutalist architecture. Its contribution to black culture began with our most notable black composer and culminated in the first black British artist to headline Glastonbury. Its Brit School produced everyone from Adele to Amy Winehouse and Raye. Still want to diss Croydon?
Croydonopolis tells the amazing story of this much-maligned town, whose only fault was to be too far ahead of the curve, and always go for broke.
Will Noble is the Editor of the popular Londonist website. This is his first book. He lives in Croydon.
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friendofdorothy
Solidarity against neoliberalism!
As they don't have food , they don't mind you bring take out in, which might be better/ cheaper / more choice option for urbz. Beer is ok
Puddy_Tat
naturally fluffy
umm...
friendofdorothy
Solidarity against neoliberalism!
When the whole of SoNo is best avoided and every pub is packed.
ska invita
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talking of SoNo...got food from here last week (portland road) .... was so delicious i did a double take....
GarveyLives
Well-Known Member
The Steven Sansom of Burnell Road in Sutton, who earlier today pleaded guilty to the murder of The Late Sarah Mayhew is the same Steven Sansom (then of New Addington) who was responsible for the notorious robbery and murder and of Kendall Cars' mini-cab driver Terence Boyle on Christmas Eve 1998:
Steven Sansom was released from his previous life sentence in December 2019 and has since been recalled to prison since his arrest in April 2024.
His co-defendant Gemma Watts' trial is due to take place on 29 April 2025, with a further hearing for both defendants on 15 November 2024.
The prosecution have indicated that it would not be in the public interest to pursue the three counts of making indecent images of children; including 31 Category A, the worst kind, one Category B, and four Category C, that Steven Sansom also faced:
Killer who scattered woman's body parts previously boasted he murdered cabbie for £25
Yesterday, Gemma Watts pleaded guilty to murdering The Late Sarah Mayhew between between 7 March and 3 April 2024, and perverting the course of justice during the same time period by dismembering her body, disposing of it in various locations and then cleaning up the crime scene.
She denied three further counts of making indecent images of children, which will lie on file.
Together with Steven Sansom, Gemma Watts will be sentenced to life imprisonment in January 2025, at which point some explanation might be offered for their shocking crimes.
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