danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
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Creating "Lexit": What is to be done?
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Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
good point
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
and a very positive contribution
Fozzie Bear
Well-Known Member
I half listened to this ex-Syriza guy last night:
Lexit Re-loaded With Costas Lapavistas | Novara Media
Seemed OK - more about the EU being a load of anti-working class shite than any positive Lexit ideas. Still quite refreshing to hear that though.
Lexit Re-loaded With Costas Lapavistas | Novara Media
Seemed OK - more about the EU being a load of anti-working class shite than any positive Lexit ideas. Still quite refreshing to hear that though.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
He has been churning out positive proposals on this for a decade now. Best place for that if you're after more would be (off top of head) section three of the book Crisis In the Eurozone that he edited and largely wrote a few years back. He's probably the best on this, better than Streek. The latter has a great way of describing what has happened and why but his positive proposals are a bit crap. Anyway, there's loads of his stuff out there, he never seems to stop writing.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Chapters 7-12 here too: Against the Troika: Crisis and Austerity in the Eurozone
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Thanks for the link (also being discussed here), and thanks for the book links butchers.
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
No he said that for those that call themselves left (and I think from the context he pretty clearly means socialist left) getting out of the single market is "necessary" if they want to challenge neo-liberalism, that's not the same thing.
I know you were arguing in favour of free trade but do you really think that the single market hasn't been used to attack workers? Does your support for free trade extent to CETA? TTIP?
He didn't suggest any such thing. He talked about the possibility of a three tier Europe with different economic policies acting the different tiers.
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bellaozzydog
rolling turds in glitter
The term Lexit has just dropped in my intray.
Are there any further developments/mumbles about it
Are there any further developments/mumbles about it
ItWillNeverWork
Messy Crimbobs, fellow humans.
If Labour weren't completely shit they'd have put forward a 'Lexit' manifesto already.
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
The “L” in Lexit doesn’t stand for “Liberal”.
ItWillNeverWork
Messy Crimbobs, fellow humans.
Well 60% of Labour constituencies voted leave, so it'll be pretty dumb of Labour to start running on a remain platform. And if they do run on a Leave platform, what is there to distinguish them from the Tories? I'd suggest Lexit would be precisely that thing.
Supine
Newt Member
I didn't mention Labour! Agree it wouldn't do them any good.
HoratioCuthbert
Deep seated inconsequence
Hello, I mind your posts from before welcome back
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
It was intensely depressing to see McDonnell last night on the news ignore the warnings from Unite and explicitly line Labour up behind a second referendum. Corbyn delivering a ‘makes the proles vote again and again until they get it right’ strategy is a disaster outside of the middle class student diaspora that surrounds labour but can’t deliver it into Government.
There’s polls to suggest that figure doesn’t hold today.
There may well, of course, be other reasons that it would be bad strategy to return to their pre-referendum position.
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Link(s)?
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
I wouldn’t base anything on polls to be honest. Better to base it on a) what their supporters are telling them on the doorstep (not on line) and b) to think through the consequences of making citizens vote again at the urging of the political class and global capital
TruXta
tired
No ordinary wc people that want 2nd referendum then?
Major new Brexit poll shows voters swinging towards Remain
Make of that what you will - the link in the story fires up detailed Excel sheets.
This is three weeks ago. Fuck knows where we are now.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Latest from YouGov. I’ve not had time to drill down into it yet:
May’s Brexit deal leads in just two constituencies as it suffers from being everyone’s second choice | YouGov
The more interesting portion of the piece is probably the second half:
“One way of analysing this is to use the “Condorcet method”. With this approach, instead of looking for which option is most people’s first choice, we should instead test which one beats all the others in a head-to-head fight.”
On that, remain is dead. Which is where we may end up.
If - and it’s a big if obviously - we end up in 2ndref, it’s all about the questions and how they are counted.
Has that made everything clear to everyone now?
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Thanks.
That shows a song towards Remain, and that "105 council areas" (local authorities? wards? districts?) would have changed but unless the full figures say something different I don't see any info on Labour constituencies.
EDIT: The link danny la rouge posted show Remain is preferred to May's Deal in 58% of Labour constituencies but has no information on Remain vs "a Labour deal".
Overall while I suspect there's been a move towards Remain both throughout the country and in Labour held constituencies a large % of the population and Labour constituencies still want to leave.
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Jeff Robinson
Marxist-Lentilist: Jackboots and Jackfruit
Was not really sure where to put this, but it’s an excellent analysis of the relationship between neo-liberalism, austerity and law - what the author calls ‘law-sterity’ - that may be illuminating in the context of this thread:
Against Law-sterity | Salvage
Against Law-sterity | Salvage
Mordi
Amoral adventurist
Ta for that, anything else interesting from the new issue of Salvage?
Jeff Robinson
Marxist-Lentilist: Jackboots and Jackfruit
I haven’t checked, I saw this article via social media.
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