Could Putin end up in the Hague?

[frogwoman]

There has been pretty serious evidence of war crimes in a few places and the way they have targeted Mariupol etc is itself a war crime. I can't personally see him ending up there because ultimately I don't think the west gives enough of a shit but it would be interesting to see if anyone actually does get brought to justice. Thought I'd start this thread to keep track of developments

 

[Humberto]

He could. The allies are very positive about it.

 

[bluescreen]

There has been pretty serious evidence of war crimes in a few places and the way they have targeted Mariupol etc is itself a war crime. I can't personally see him ending up there because ultimately I don't think the west gives enough of a shit but it would be interesting to see if anyone actually does get brought to justice. Thought I'd start this thread to keep track of developments

He totally deserves to be there answering for it all but I wish I could see it happening.

 

[bluescreen]

He could. The allies are very positive about it.

They are very positive about how disgusting he is, but how are they going to make a trial happen?

 

[zahir]

One of the conditions for ending sanctions?

 

[bluescreen]

One of the conditions for ending sanctions?

Tell us more...

 

[frogwoman]

He would rather have the sanctions than go on trial tho. It's working quite well for him personally

 

[zahir]

Tell us more...

I suppose it would depend on someone in Russia removing him from power first.

 

[bluescreen]

I suppose it would depend on someone in Russia removing him from power first.

Right! A magic wand.
I want one of those too.
It may happen, heaven knows - but much though we fervently desire it, I suspect it's not so fervently desired in Russia.

 

[dilute micro]

One of the conditions for ending sanctions?

I don't trust anyone to keep the sanctions in place if there is a peace agreement no matter how awful this has been. It won't be done in a day but they'll be lifted. Peace is the goal, not what's right for Ukraine.

 

[bluescreen]

I don't trust anyone to keep the sanctions in place if there is a peace agreement no matter how awful this has been. It won't be done in a day but they'll be lifted. Peace is the goal, not what's right for Ukraine.

'Peace' being an infinitely debatable word.

 

[cupid_stunt]

I suppose it would depend on someone in Russia removing him from power first.

Yes, it would take Russia to give him up, sadly I can't see that happening, and I can only hope for the second best option, that someone puts a bullet in his head.

 

[maomao]

They could try and nab him at the G20 in November.

 

[SpookyFrank]

I think just shooting him in the head would be simpler all round. He doesn't look like he'd last the ten years or whatever it would take to drag him through the ICC.

 

[MickiQ]

No there is no possibility of Putin ever ending up in the Hague, I don't think there is any real possibility of anyone else doing so either.
The ICC is another of those institutions which only has any authority when it suits powerful nations to let it have some.

 

[zahir]

Human Rights Watch report on war crimes in Ukraine

Ukraine: Apparent War Crimes in Russia-Controlled Areas

Human Rights Watch has documented several cases of Russian military forces committing laws-of-war violations against civilians in occupied areas of the Chernihiv, Kharkiv, and Kyiv regions of Ukraine.

www.hrw.org

 

[Humberto]

They are very positive about how disgusting he is, but how are they going to make a trial happen?

Not while he's in power.

 

[Dystopiary]

He has to.

 

[Riklet]

It just all depends on what happens in Russia doesnt it. Who knows basically.

 

[frogwoman]

He has to.

How is that going to happen tho?

 

[Dystopiary]

How is that going to happen tho?

Well, good question. I have hope, like it happened with Radovan Karadzic and Slobodan Milosevic. I know he'd be a lot harder to get to.

 

[Kaka Tim]

short of a complete regime change in Russia where they hand the fucker over in return for lifting of sanctions (which - IIRC - was what happened to Milosevic) - then its vanishingly unlikely he will ever have to answer for what he has done - and is doing. Dispatched by his own side is a more likely outcome - unless the rumours about him dying from cancer or something are true.

 

[RD2003]

Will the world change if/when Putin ends up in the Hague? Will it be the end of war crimes?

The future is uncertain and looks bleak. The fallout from climate change being only one factor in a potential meltdown of the historically untypical and highy contingent security the past few generations became used to. Societies stable for generations are likely to become unrecognisable. We may get the rise of little Putins of our own to deal with the panic/public trauma. Wars will be fought over resources and for a myriad of other excuses. War crimes will inevitably follow. They will follow us to our demise as a species.

This is not to say that present war crimes should not be punished. Those responsible for them in the past should face justice too, as so many banged on about before the world got reduced to good v evil and everybody forgot.

 

[existentialist]

short of a complete regime change in Russia where they hand the fucker over in return for lifting of sanctions (which - IIRC - was what happened to Milosevic) - then its vanishingly unlikely he will ever have to answer for what he has done - and is doing. Dispatched by his own side is a more likely outcome - unless the rumours about him dying from cancer or something are true.

And then you have to believe in God to know that he might be held accountable...