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Seeing the piss poor PPE this fellow has been provided with I am not surprised the virus is spreading in Japan.

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little_legs said:
Apologies if this is not the relevant thread.

What would you, good folks, do if you had a week booked in Tuscany for the end of April, would you cancel it? I still have the time to cancel but I really don't want to.

Thank you
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Hi little_legs, I would probably cancel.
At the moment Italy is a risky country.

If the situation improves enough by then you will probably be able to rebook because there will be lots of vacant properties I would expect.
 
So now there's a rush on bog roll because of fake rumours that supplies are short. Hand disinfectant is short, though, as my friend is finding out at her place of work. They sold out of all their bottles and the company that supplies her can only make a couple of thousand each week. She now has to field angry calls from customers asking what the delay is. And also how to use the bottles when they get them :confused:
 
MrCurry said:
Not just for you, but for all of us with holiday trips booked it’s going to be worth checking the cancellation policy and noting if there are time bands affecting the refund amount. Eg cancel more than 60 days before travel, get 75% back. 45-60 days before travel, 50% refund and less than 45 days only 25%.

I have a trip to Spain lined up for late May and have to make my go/no go choice by late March if I’m to limit the damage to just losing 25% of the booking amount. Taking it to the wire and finding out at the last minute that travel just isn’t possible and the travel insurance doesn’t cover pandemics under the “force majeure” clause does not appeal to me much.

And I know some people are going to think I’m being ridiculous and that of course people can still fly off on their summer hols later this year, but I wouldn’t count on it. I don’t think there are many Chinese taking foreign holidays at the moment, and they’re only 8-10 weeks ahead of us in this thing.
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Yeah, I'm due to go to Greece overland (via Milan) for 2 weeks in early July. I've not booked travel yet, and if things carry on this way it won't be happening I suspect. To save clogging up this one maybe having a new thread for things people are doing/not doing might be interesting...?
 
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Does anyone know where to get 3M 8612F Particulate Respirator N95 face masks? They appear to be completely sold out on the internet as far as I can see, and I would like to buy some.
 
Edie said:
Does anyone know where to get 3M 8612F Particulate Respirator N95 face masks? They appear to be completely sold out on the internet as far as I can see, and I would like to buy some.
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They are also known as FFP3 masks in the UK and Europe, if that helps you on your search. N95 is the American rating.
 
I haven't heard that Britain is restricting entry from any country, is that right?

Anyhow if not, we are definitely going to get infected people coming in from abroad. And they will infect people while they are here, it just seems like common sense?
 
Turkey has opened their border to the European frontier. Migrants/refugees are heading towards Greece.

Some wore face masks, in an apparent attempt to guard against the coronavirus outbreak now sweeping the world and adding to the concerns of hard-pressed European authorities.
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www.reuters.com

'Europe is nicer': migrants head west after Turkey opens border

Hundreds of migrants in Turkey started arriving on the borders with Greece and Bulgaria on Friday after a senior Turkish official said Ankara would no longer abide by a 2016 EU deal and stop refugees from reaching Europe.
www.reuters.com www.reuters.com
 
What's happening in South Korea?
The spread of the virus there has been linked to the fringe Christian group Shincheonji Church.

Authorities believe members infected one another during services in Daegu and then fanned out around the country, apparently undetected.
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www.bbc.co.uk

Coronavirus: Unexplained West Coast cases raise fears in US

Three cases involving people with no connection with affected countries are found on the West Coast.
www.bbc.co.uk
 
Unexplained West Coast cases raise fears in US
Officials on the US West Coast have reported three unexplained coronavirus cases, raising concerns the virus could be spreading within the community.

The patients - in California, Oregon and Washington State - have no known connection to a badly hit country.

A total of 59 coronavirus cases have been confirmed in the US, according to the World Health Organization (WHO).
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Edie said:
Mate none of those are actually FFP3 masks
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The FFP3 = N100
FFP2 = N95

I had a read of this and concluded that N95 would be effective enough. I also spoke with my son's specialist who said the same. The N100 or FFP3 masks can actually make it very hard to breathe for an extended period. I know it's such a worry when your on methotrexate. Boy 3 is on a TNF. I think I saw some FFP 300 on Amazon though

fastlifehacks.com

N95 vs FFP3 & FFP2 masks - what's the difference?

In light of Covid-19 Fast Life Hacks looks at the difference between respirator filtering standards such as N95 and FFP2/FFP3… Masks vs Respirators Before we go any further, let’s just clarify on a technical difference between a “mask” and a “respirator”. In day to day language we often say...
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Here's an FFP3 on.ebay UK
 
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TopCat said:
My gf is in Vietnam. notifiable country now?
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I've been keeping an eye because we've booked a holiday there (maybe not the brightest idea but what will be will be and not putting our life on hold for something that may or may not happen). Tbh they seem pretty hot on it, had some cases (I think 16) but no deaths and quarantined a small community but no reports of it spreading more yet. They've been pretty strict about travel restrictions and quarantining visitors from Italy, Iran etc.

I think some countries in the region are getting lumped together a bit as "east asia=bad" but it looks more like our biggest risk at the moment is it spreading here and us not getting let in at the vietnam border. Maybe I'm wrong but that's how it seems to me at the moment from searching.
 
As discussed previously, seek and you shall find.

The latest patient to be diagnosed with the virus and the GP who is feared to have it were both detected because the surgery where the doctor works is one of 100 practices where patients with breathing problems are now being routinely screened for Covid-19, the Guardian has been told.

They were identified as a result of mouth and nasal swabs that were being taken from every patient attending the surgery with flu-like symptoms by staff from Surrey University who specialise in the spread and epidemiology of influenza.
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TopCat said:
I have not seen the gf in weeks and dont want to wait another fortnight.
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Perhaps the risk equation changes anyway, given that the virus is in the UK in unknown amounts already.

But obviously its a very personal judgement call. Personally I would not delay seeing the gf, so long as I was somewhat psychologically prepared for every eventuality and every possible 'with the benefit of hindsight' twist that might come along later. ie If I could do it without potentially driving myself crazy with regret later, I would not hesitate for long.
 
If she has a sniffle or a temp then no way. She is a nurse so knows how to check. Plus as you say, it's here now.
 
elbows said:
As discussed previously, seek and you shall find.



46m ago 11:42
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Is it feasible to 'routinely swab' the whole population of UK for example? Do all the 4 -18 year olds at school and set up walk in facilities for everyone else...at GP surgeries and pharmacies? Divert as many services as possible for maybe a month to give quick access and results. Would a clearer idea of its potential lead to better targeted help. Or is that just a logistical nightmare and total overkill?
 
smmudge said:
I've been keeping an eye because we've booked a holiday there (maybe not the brightest idea but what will be will be and not putting our life on hold for something that may or may not happen). Tbh they seem pretty hot on it, had some cases (I think 16) but no deaths and quarantined a small community but no reports of it spreading more yet. They've been pretty strict about travel restrictions and quarantining visitors from Italy, Iran etc.

I think some countries in the region are getting lumped together a bit as "east asia=bad" but it looks more like our biggest risk at the moment is it spreading here and us not getting let in at the vietnam border. Maybe I'm wrong but that's how it seems to me at the moment from searching.
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I went to Vietnam and Cambodia during the Sars outbreak in 2003, it was reportedly much, much quieter than usual in terms of tourists, so I had a really good time. I don't recall being anxious at all, the risk was so low.
 
clicker said:
Is it feasible to 'routinely swab' the whole population of UK for example? Do all the 4 -18 year olds at school and set up walk in facilities for everyone else...at GP surgeries and pharmacies? Divert as many services as possible for maybe a month to give quick access and results. Would a clearer idea of its potential lead to better targeted help. Or is that just a logistical nightmare and total overkill?
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Its not something that is ever considered as far as I know. There just isnt the capacity for that sort of thing, or anything even vaguely approaching it. And you have to be careful that you dont create new situations for people to mix and infect eachother, healthcare workers etc.

The aim of this wider community surveillence is not to detect every case, it is to build up a picture via a small sampling of the public who present with influenza-like illnesses, and also via some other methods such as checking patients with pneumonia.
 
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