wemakeyousoundb
hopefully not gimboid
Ventilation systems ain't cheap though which will be a problem for the smaller venues.
Coronavirus: music festivals, big gigs, sports events and big gatherings - going ahead and cancelled
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klang
klang
surely for a large festival to happen in the summer pretty much everything would have to be in place now. line up, insurance, logistics, sponsors, crew, h&s Risk assessments etc etc
spitfire
Walty McWaltface
Yes and also bulky. They usually require major building works and some sort of plant room when they get complicated.
Obviously not seen the gear they are talking about but sounds more than complex than just fitting an in line filter or such.
BristolEcho
Well-Known Member
When you look up the main discriptors of what can spread covid it basically described clubs and other venues. Far from convinced and I definitely cant see it in the skanky places I frequent. Realise I'm pretty pessimistic about this.
For my events no insurer would include covid in the policy.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
It could still be done. Just. But it’s vanishingly unlikely.
SheilaNaGig
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But the entire industry has been chopped and diced.
So it’s not just about whether venues can be safe or whether enough people have been vaccinated. It’s also about whether the support systems are still in place. I mean, how is John Henry’s doing right now? Can they survive all this? What about Metropolis? How are they doing?
And so many of the nuts and bolts people in the industry are self employed, so a lot of them will be forced to find work elsewhere. True, most will be very keen to get back to the music but some won’t be able to.
So even if we can get back into the gigs and festivals, it’s going to take a while before we know how much of the old world has gone forever, how much can be stitched back together, and what needs to be made from scratch and reinvented.
So it’s not just about whether venues can be safe or whether enough people have been vaccinated. It’s also about whether the support systems are still in place. I mean, how is John Henry’s doing right now? Can they survive all this? What about Metropolis? How are they doing?
And so many of the nuts and bolts people in the industry are self employed, so a lot of them will be forced to find work elsewhere. True, most will be very keen to get back to the music but some won’t be able to.
So even if we can get back into the gigs and festivals, it’s going to take a while before we know how much of the old world has gone forever, how much can be stitched back together, and what needs to be made from scratch and reinvented.
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SheilaNaGig
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And then there’s the whole Brexit bollox bullshit thing to deal with too. Visas and carnets.
As an aside to illustrate the kind of naivety that’s out there...
I heard from a friend that a particular band is saying they won’t bother with carnets, they’ll just ignore that. Friend has been trying to impress on this big name touring band the idiocy of this.
As an aside to illustrate the kind of naivety that’s out there...
I heard from a friend that a particular band is saying they won’t bother with carnets, they’ll just ignore that. Friend has been trying to impress on this big name touring band the idiocy of this.
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klang
klang
it took me years to set up my studio and turn it into a functioning operation. i'm struggling because of corona. once i can't pay the rent anymore and i'll have to shut doors that'll be it. i'd have to find work so won' t have time to work towards a re-opening. i'd have to sell my gear and move on.
SheilaNaGig
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I’m seeing /hearing a lot of this.
It’s really shit.
I’m sorry it’s happening to you.
klang
klang
i reckon i can sustain my studio for the time being. there's work lined up i can do on my own or with one other person. i don't fancy working with a sweaty rock band though.
bands will be desperate to record once things get safer. there is a lot of writing going on atm.
SheilaNaGig
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This sounds good. I hope you can make it work.
Sweaty bands will need to be more cognisant of their damp exudations in future. A shame, because hugging someone as they come off stage is the only time I don’t mind the sweat.
And yes, my various inboxes are festooned with all sorts of odd and interesting sketches from musicians. I’m very curious and interested to see what comes out of this at the other end. I’m anticipating a glut of new offerings, and no doubt much of it will be step-change excellent.
I do really hope you can keep your studio open littleseb , bands /musicians will need you in the days ahead.
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I'm very pessimistic too, as I said in my earlier post
But do you reckon that some (more experienced?) festival organisers might (?) be making at least some of those preparations anyway, on the basis of "just in case the event could happen after all"
I don't mean Glastonbury (a no-no because of size alone), my question's more about smaller events that almost certainly won't really be happening later this year?
I bet some organisers could for now still be preparing for the unexpected?
Afraid that a lot are keeping going on hope alone. The largest and best funded events supplier in the UK has now laid off 80% of their workforce as a guide to how it is going 'behind the scenes' in the industry.But do you reckon that some (more experienced?) festival organisers might (?) be making at least some of those preparations anyway, on the basis of "just in case the event could happen after all"
The festival world is much more reliant on volunteers, casual workers and people with passion so that helps a bit. However they generally have smaller paid/salaried core staff numbers. It was already a bloated sector and some festivals were failing before C19. There will still be festivals but I honestly can't see any before 2022 in the UK.
Some festivals are 'more experienced' but that does not mean they have a war chest of cash or staff and are able to make financial gambles. Ticket monies are not paid until after an event is delivered and insurance companies won't cover C19, so the upfront costs/risks are huge in this climate.
Am not sure I will return to the industry now
sorry to be miserable (again) but for large footfall events/festivals we need to be realistic.
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hiraethified
It's looking more likely that we might end up recording the next album individually. So I've got to try and figure out how to make that happen with the recording software I'm trying to get my head around and - spit - electronic drums.
wemakeyousoundb
hopefully not gimboid
what software are you using?
I was avoiding mentioning that news of their announcement!
I have very little hope of BT (up there with my favourites!
) happening at all in 2021 I know what the organisers are going through, they've been my drinking/gigging/fest pals for not far off twenty years, and have been quite depressed at times themselves
festivaldeb and I have been to every Bearded since pub-garden days back in 2008.
TBF, they did reduce the size down to 7,500 or thereabouts in 2019 -- it had become over 12,000 before.
mr steev : let's hope we can meet up there with various other Urbans
when it eventually does happen -- in seventeen months time 
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hiraethified
Adobe Audition - there's a thread here (rather than send this one any further off topic!)
Voley
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I honestly don't think a big festival would be anything like safe this year, even if they went ahead.
More positively, both of my folks have had their first jabs now so that light at the end of the tunnel just got a big bigger round here.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
Every other major festival will follow. Plan for 2022.
The Octagon
Stop...Hammertime
Rolling over the deposits for Glasto again, bugger
2023 then I guess.
At least the farm will have really had time to recover for once.
2023 then I guess.
At least the farm will have really had time to recover for once.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
While Glasto will certainly survive until next year, it will be interesting to see if/which big name events don’t make it. I’ve long suspected the financial model of various outfits isn’t quite as robust as you’d imagine.
Voley
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Yeah, it's a busy old market these days isn't it? I thought it was pretty saturated before all this happened.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
Massively. And there’s been a bit of an “arms race” for overall production levels/spectacle, none of which is cheap.
