World Travel Market London is (for now) going ahead in November 
Last year it had 51k visitors and 5,000 exhibiting organisations.
Last year it had 51k visitors and 5,000 exhibiting organisations.
Coronavirus: music festivals, big gigs, sports events and big gatherings - going ahead and cancelled
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One outdoor event in August has been given the go ahead 
londonconcours.co.uk
Unsurprisingly it is an event for the disgustingly wealthy taking place in the City of London
I hope it fucking pours with rain that week!
Classic Car Show London - London Concours
Are you looking to visit a Classic Car Show in London or event? London Concours 2024 is the perfect day out in the heart of London, food, drink and amazing cars. Book tickets here.
londonconcours.co.uk
Unsurprisingly it is an event for the disgustingly wealthy taking place in the City of London
I hope it fucking pours with rain that week!
80% male attendees
Average age approx 65-70
A good opportunity for the virus that.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
World Travel Market London is (for now) going ahead in November
Last year it had 51k visitors and 5,000 exhibiting organisations.
Optimistic, as;
A: indoors
B: 90% of the suppliers will have gone bust by November...
Yup, it seems like they are blagging it. A shame for the suppliers and exhibitors/delegates paying out for it.
Clarion have deep pockets but still...
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hiraethified
This is such a shit idea.
Plans for UK-wide drive-in gigs announced
Socially distanced music and comedy events will take place across the UK, after many cancellations.
www.bbc.co.uk
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
It is, but as it’s a potential lifeline to a lot of friends and colleagues I’ll welcome it for now...This is such a shit idea.
Plans for UK-wide drive-in gigs announced
Socially distanced music and comedy events will take place across the UK, after many cancellations.www.bbc.co.uk
sovereignb
Well-Known Member
ugh...This is such a shit idea.
Plans for UK-wide drive-in gigs announced
Socially distanced music and comedy events will take place across the UK, after many cancellations.www.bbc.co.uk
ugh...
Its not all bad. At how many other Lightening Seeds gigs can you just wind up up your window and stick your own tunes on?
sovereignb
Well-Known Member
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hiraethified
And if you haven't got a car, fuck off."For this next song, I want you to turn on your full beam"
Great times ahead
ska invita
back on the other side
interesting read
Dancing on my own: Berlin clubs struggle to get the party started
Capital seeks to reclaim its reputation as a destination for hedonism
www.ft.com
or follow this link
economics aside i like the idea of a half empty club
Dancing on my own: Berlin clubs struggle to get the party started
Capital seeks to reclaim its reputation as a destination for hedonism
Dancing on my own: Berlin clubs struggle to get the party started
Capital seeks to reclaim its reputation as a destination for hedonism
or follow this link
economics aside i like the idea of a half empty club
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hiraethified
Trouble is, half empty clubs won't survive for long.interesting read
Dancing on my own: Berlin clubs struggle to get the party started
Capital seeks to reclaim its reputation as a destination for hedonism
Dancing on my own: Berlin clubs struggle to get the party started
Capital seeks to reclaim its reputation as a destination for hedonism
or follow this link
economics aside i like the idea of a half empty club
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
Clubs, theatres, venues, they're all in exactly the same boat. If they're not full, they're not making a profit. All these "solutions" being put forward are just a novelty, a bit of distraction. Unless we can find a way for us all to live with this disease or find a cure, they're fucked.
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hiraethified
Musicians and DJs are at the sharp end too: as far as venues go, the entire point of our existence is to attract more people and fill a place to capacity. If social distancing means venues have to massively reduce capacity, there goes the reason to spend money on entertainment.
PursuedByBears
Go stick your head in a pig
It does look terrible tbfThis is such a shit idea.
Plans for UK-wide drive-in gigs announced
Socially distanced music and comedy events will take place across the UK, after many cancellations.www.bbc.co.uk
Mation
real life adventure worth more than pieces of gold
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hiraethified
Bleak. I'd rather be in the park with a few socially distanced friends listening to a small Bluetooth speaker than this money making bollocks. And note the zero social distancing in the front.
Honk if you like my arias: the summer of drive-in culture
With venues locked down, entertainment-starved audiences are getting in gear for a season of opera, comedy shows and movies experienced from your own car seat – but is it an artistic cul de sac?
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
I know why people are doing them - any port in a storm and all that - but these drive in things really can get in a skip fire imo.
Voley
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Hearing a bit of internet chatter saying that the Durdle Door beach fiasco didn't result in another infection spike as expected. People are saying that large outdoor gatherings aren't the breeding grounds for infection that most imagined.
If this is right, I'm more hopeful that stuff will be going ahead in 2021. Worth keeping an eye on Bournemouth/Liverpool to see if the recent gatherings there cause a rise.
If this is right, I'm more hopeful that stuff will be going ahead in 2021. Worth keeping an eye on Bournemouth/Liverpool to see if the recent gatherings there cause a rise.
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
There have been panics/mass tutting outbreaks about this stuff going back to people in parks about a week in with no spikes so this does seem likely.
elbows
Well-Known Member
The thing about spikes related to particular gatherings is that I think people are looking for the wrong magnitude of spike as a result.
The large wave of infection that we saw at the peak was a result of many generations of transmission. That isnt something thats going to be replicated again as a result of a single gathering, at least not when the number of infections before the gathering was not at a high level. Such gatherings can still play a significant role in increasing transmission eventually, but its best not to think of it as a single event but rather an event that may or may not have an eventual greater consequence, that is based on:
How many infected people attended.
How many then caught it at the event.
How many people those people went on to infect later.
I dont think the data we get to see is often going to show up the single generation of transmission from the event itself. Its more and more likely to show up if those infections go on to lead to many more, because that sort of growth should be notable in ways the actual infections directly from the event may not be.
The large wave of infection that we saw at the peak was a result of many generations of transmission. That isnt something thats going to be replicated again as a result of a single gathering, at least not when the number of infections before the gathering was not at a high level. Such gatherings can still play a significant role in increasing transmission eventually, but its best not to think of it as a single event but rather an event that may or may not have an eventual greater consequence, that is based on:
How many infected people attended.
How many then caught it at the event.
How many people those people went on to infect later.
I dont think the data we get to see is often going to show up the single generation of transmission from the event itself. Its more and more likely to show up if those infections go on to lead to many more, because that sort of growth should be notable in ways the actual infections directly from the event may not be.
2hats
Dust.
Precisely. These gatherings likely are simply helping maintain a baseline, a long tail (in, perhaps, a disproportionately less vulnerable cohort) which will increase the chances of a second wave further down the line, possibly in late summer/early autumn, when environmental effects and behaviour patterns change, plus people have become 'bored'/weary/disengaged/sceptical and take their eye off the ball, etc. Perhaps N generations later tending to bring it to the more vulnerable who have, to some degree, been shielding (for example: weather gets colder - everyone spends more time inside).
elbows
Well-Known Member
Thats one of the reasons I hope the sewage-based surveillance system is decent. Because younger people are less likely to require hospital treatment and are probably less likely to get tested at all. Although I sometimes note in stories from the USA about case rises that some authorities there make a point of talking about how the age of people ending up in hospital is decreasing. They might be exaggerating this side of things to try to increase compliance, but it would be entirely unsurprising if there are periods where the more socially active younger cohorts are driving transmission largely within their own age group, with some spillover into other cohorts but limited enough that hospital numbers and deaths dont track at the same speed as infections/positive tests.
2hats
Dust.
Talking of which...
UK sewage plants fear deluge of stale beer
Water and sewage companies are racing to stop millions of pints of stale beer overwhelming the UK’s sewage system and threatening the environment as pubs rush to replace stock before reopening on July 4.
UK sewage plants fear deluge of stale beer
Gill Plimmer and Alice Hancock in London JUNE 26 2020, FT
Water and sewage companies are racing to stop millions of pints of stale beer overwhelming the UK’s sewage system and threatening the environment as pubs rush to replace stock before reopening on July 4.
Water companies say that although larger cities such as London have sewage processing facilities that can cope with a huge influx of stale beer, some smaller plants risk being overwhelmed.
About 70m pints of beer have been left on pub premises since the UK entered lockdown in March, according to the British Beer and Pub Association. The beer, which can usually last three to six weeks before going off, needs to be removed from cellars before publicans can bring in new barrels and reopen. But any sudden release into the sewage system could overwhelm the bugs that break down effluent at the treatment plants, water companies said.
If the sewage is released directly into rivers and beaches without treatment, it could cause environmental damage, such as depleted oxygen levels, potentially killing fish and plants.
Trade body Water UK said: “Water companies are as keen as anyone to see pubs open again and have been working around the clock to process thousands of applications from pubs and brewers.
“It’s really important that beer is disposed of in the right way, so it doesn’t damage the environment, marine life and the sewer networks, which is why there are environmental regulations controlling how waste beer is dealt with safely.”
In an effort to encourage pubs to contact them, water companies have agreed to waive the fee they usually charge businesses to release large quantities of waste into the sewers. But pub owners have been holding off, awaiting government guidance on reopening.
So far about 40 per cent of pubs have been in touch with water companies, meaning it could “all be a bit last minute,” said one water industry executive.
Ralph Findlay, chief executive of the pub group Marston’s, said that there had been a “significant delay” in disposing of beer. “It was a frustration at a time when everyone’s minds were turning to opening [that] we hadn’t got the right protocols in place to change over the beer until very late in the day,” he said.
With the prime minister’s announcement on Tuesday that hospitality businesses, including pubs and bars, can reopen from July 4, many are now rushing to prepare their sites.
In order to manage the beer waste, the British Beer and Pub Association has established a website through which pub owners can notify brewers of how much stock they need to dispose of. The brewer continues to own beer up until the point that it is sold to the customer.
The BBPA recommends in its guidance for pubs that points connected to a foul drainage system “would be an ideal disposal point” for waste beer. But it added that permission should also be sought from the local water company before it is thrown away.
The pollution fears come as routine inspections of water quality in rivers and beaches remain suspended by the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs because of the coronavirus pandemic. The Drinking Water Inspectorate has also told water companies that they can postpone testing at domestic and commercial properties until the coronavirus emergency has subsided.
Defra said: “The environment secretary has written to the British Beer and Pub Association about the need for safe disposal of waste beer currently held in pub cellars.
“We understand that pubs need to clear their cellars to allow for restocking and we are working across government and with the industry to support their preparations to reopen without causing environmental harm.”
Gill Plimmer and Alice Hancock in London JUNE 26 2020, FT
Water and sewage companies are racing to stop millions of pints of stale beer overwhelming the UK’s sewage system and threatening the environment as pubs rush to replace stock before reopening on July 4.
Water companies say that although larger cities such as London have sewage processing facilities that can cope with a huge influx of stale beer, some smaller plants risk being overwhelmed.
About 70m pints of beer have been left on pub premises since the UK entered lockdown in March, according to the British Beer and Pub Association. The beer, which can usually last three to six weeks before going off, needs to be removed from cellars before publicans can bring in new barrels and reopen. But any sudden release into the sewage system could overwhelm the bugs that break down effluent at the treatment plants, water companies said.
If the sewage is released directly into rivers and beaches without treatment, it could cause environmental damage, such as depleted oxygen levels, potentially killing fish and plants.
Trade body Water UK said: “Water companies are as keen as anyone to see pubs open again and have been working around the clock to process thousands of applications from pubs and brewers.
“It’s really important that beer is disposed of in the right way, so it doesn’t damage the environment, marine life and the sewer networks, which is why there are environmental regulations controlling how waste beer is dealt with safely.”
In an effort to encourage pubs to contact them, water companies have agreed to waive the fee they usually charge businesses to release large quantities of waste into the sewers. But pub owners have been holding off, awaiting government guidance on reopening.
So far about 40 per cent of pubs have been in touch with water companies, meaning it could “all be a bit last minute,” said one water industry executive.
Ralph Findlay, chief executive of the pub group Marston’s, said that there had been a “significant delay” in disposing of beer. “It was a frustration at a time when everyone’s minds were turning to opening [that] we hadn’t got the right protocols in place to change over the beer until very late in the day,” he said.
With the prime minister’s announcement on Tuesday that hospitality businesses, including pubs and bars, can reopen from July 4, many are now rushing to prepare their sites.
In order to manage the beer waste, the British Beer and Pub Association has established a website through which pub owners can notify brewers of how much stock they need to dispose of. The brewer continues to own beer up until the point that it is sold to the customer.
The BBPA recommends in its guidance for pubs that points connected to a foul drainage system “would be an ideal disposal point” for waste beer. But it added that permission should also be sought from the local water company before it is thrown away.
The pollution fears come as routine inspections of water quality in rivers and beaches remain suspended by the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs because of the coronavirus pandemic. The Drinking Water Inspectorate has also told water companies that they can postpone testing at domestic and commercial properties until the coronavirus emergency has subsided.
Defra said: “The environment secretary has written to the British Beer and Pub Association about the need for safe disposal of waste beer currently held in pub cellars.
“We understand that pubs need to clear their cellars to allow for restocking and we are working across government and with the industry to support their preparations to reopen without causing environmental harm.”
