The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Sins in previous life?
Coronavirus in the UK - news, lockdown and discussion
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cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
BBC TV News just reporting there's a meeting currently going on with Whitehall officials & government ministers. discussing the current tier areas, and we should expect a further announcement tomorrow.
FFS, lets hope it's tier 4 everywhere from Boxing Day.
FFS, lets hope it's tier 4 everywhere from Boxing Day.
wayward bob
i ate all your bees
prunus
Tick tock.
From Christmas Eve surely.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
I can't see them fucking up Christmas Day anymore, at this late stage.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
You can't blame government for every specific thing like this, but their lack of direction and clarity creates a vacuum where mad stuff can happen at the very point where we are at a crisis point. Crazy.
magneze
🎧
It'll be announced on the day by the Queen.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
I think you're right, but even delaying a couple of days will kill people.
keybored
Well done. You remember cat good.
They should let Andrew do it this year, just for that little extra "wtf2020?".
I think you're overestimating many families capacity to cope and the capacity of services to work remotely to support them especially in the absence of their extended family and friends, often while these workers are trying and failing to look after their own children.
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
I thought the weekend was to soon but apparently not. If they do more fucking around this won't just punch a hole in the poll ratings it might actually sink them.
prunus
Tick tock.
I too fear you are right, but as Wilf says, a couple of days - and particularly this couple of days where massive numbers of people are going to go and interact with people they don’t usually interact with.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
And what we have now is better?
You seem to be suggesting that other people who think differently to you think its all just fine that lots of people ate dying, as though there couldn't possibly be alternatives to how things are and your solution.
elbows
Well-Known Member
I expect that whatever they decide, at the very least messages designed to put more people off Christmas mixing will be part of any final pre-Christmas press conferences. They may go further than that too.
Especially if the nudge unit has been upgraded to the shove unit.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
No, I'm saying what we have now is a steaming pile of shit that could have been avoided. Keeping the schools open at all costs was, and still is, a mistake.
elbows
Well-Known Member
Impossible for me to be sure how much of a mistake it was because the 'at all costs' bit was never stuck to, there were all manner of costs and compromises that the government were uninterested in getting behind.
What happened with the schools in that regard is similar to what happened with other plans developed over the summer such as telling the NHS that it should prioritise the resumption of normal services and plan for winter on the basis of keeping those things going. Those were important priorities that shouldnt get lost in the pandemic, but the government were disinterested in creating a situation where that balancing act was viable, and instead just ended up encouraging institutions to come up with plans that were unrealistic and likely unsustainable.
What happened with the schools in that regard is similar to what happened with other plans developed over the summer such as telling the NHS that it should prioritise the resumption of normal services and plan for winter on the basis of keeping those things going. Those were important priorities that shouldnt get lost in the pandemic, but the government were disinterested in creating a situation where that balancing act was viable, and instead just ended up encouraging institutions to come up with plans that were unrealistic and likely unsustainable.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
"No matter what the resulting mess" then...
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
engurlish incomers and tourists!
Just read something, the headline only TBH, in Nature. That a wide ranging study of 41 countries suggests the 3 things that can stop the spread most are.
1. Stop gatherings over 10 people
2. Close schools.
3. Close universities.
General stay at home added to those measures did not do much to slow spread.
I read the headline in Nature but that's the paper.
1. Stop gatherings over 10 people
2. Close schools.
3. Close universities.
General stay at home added to those measures did not do much to slow spread.
Inferring the effectiveness of government interventions against COVID-19 | Science
science.sciencemag.org
I read the headline in Nature but that's the paper.
keybored
Well done. You remember cat good.
Yes, I was gutted to cancel my skiing trip to Merthyr this year. But it seemed the responsible thing to do.
Heh, good luck with that...
elbows
Well-Known Member
The paper authors freely acknowledge all sorts of uncertainties and difficulties in truly separating the effects of different measures. And they only analysed a period in the initial lockdown months, so freely admit they dont have interesting observations and insight from later periods when some measures were relaxed. Its still a useful study though. Closing face-to-face businesses is very much on their list of measures that do stuff, although they think much of that result could be obtained by closing certain categories of business that carry the highest risk (hospitality for example).
The paper includes a couple of nice charts that demonstrates how its combinations of measures that can bring the R down by a sufficient amount. Here is one of them:
Someone i know who lives in the valleys told me that generally the populace of the area in his words 'did not give a fuck and were carrying on as always' ie pre Covid - no idea whether this is true but Covid fatigue has certainly set in... People are visiting Hereford FFS to go to the pubs
Herefordshire pubs and restaurants demand address proof after hundreds turned away
Herefordshire pubs and restaurants demand address proof after hundreds turned away
elbows
Well-Known Member
It also makes me nervous when the daily hospital data doesnt get published. As of the time of writing thats the case today, the usual daily file from Statistics » COVID-19 Hospital Activity isnt there.
When this sort of thing happens I never know if its because of a data systems issue or human resources issue or whether they will not be publishing this data so much over Christmas or whether they are sitting on it today because it shows something especially bad that they want to formulate a response to before revealing.
It could yet come out today for all I know, but I have my doubts.
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
elbows
Well-Known Member
The list of scenarios where lateral flow tests are deemed accurate enough to be used continues to shrink:
www.theguardian.com
Plans for 30-minute Covid testing in England halted amid accuracy fears
Exclusive: government shelves Christmas rollout of lateral flow test centres
But I already said they'd need to shut for a period to get the infections down. Please do read all of my posts properly.
muscovyduck
Good IT skills and food hygiene competent
A story in three parts, part 2:
Police slam visitors to Herefordshire as hundreds turned away from pubs
and part 3
Herefordshire records another surge in coronavirus cases
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
Wuhan went into lockdown in January.
It started steadily returning to normal in April.
The schools went back in September, one of the last things to do so.
Wuhan is now dancing in the streets, literally.
The argument is how long. I don't think 2 weeks does much at all in a pandemic. Look at Wales.
It started steadily returning to normal in April.
The schools went back in September, one of the last things to do so.
Wuhan is now dancing in the streets, literally.
The argument is how long. I don't think 2 weeks does much at all in a pandemic. Look at Wales.
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