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Sorry not caught up with thread but this Boris Saves Christmas crap was obvious from around september, we will allow you to eat turkey for jesus with your nan but then you'll all have to pay for it, is just a load of bollocks, i think they the government know perfectly well now that compliance has broken down so far that people will do whatever they want on that day regardless of what is decreed and they are just trying to minimise the damage to themselves not to anyone else.
 
Patients in UK hospitals now stand at 16,271, not that far behind the peak back in April when it was around 19.5k. :eek:

Yes unfortunately so. Here is the regional and nations picture of number of covid-19 patients in hospital, using government dashboard data.

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The jump down in Scotlands numbers in September was due to a change in what the data was covering (forgot details, might be that they were previously counting suspected cases).

And this is what the combined regional numbers in England do, getting closer to levels of the first peak even without such a large contribution from London so far this time around.

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Oh Christ, even worse than I thought about Christmas. The genie's out of the bottle now. Cannot believe how scared this government is of upsetting the the Daily Mail and the Sun. It's not up to them to 'Save Christmas', it can't be saved this year, it needs putting in fucking quarantine like everything else.
 
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Oh Christ, even worse than I thought about Christmas. The genie's out of the bottle now. Cannot believe how scared this government is of upsetting the the Daily Mail and the Sun. It's not up to them to 'Save Christmas', it can't be saved this year, it needs putting in fucking quarentine like everything else.

While I totally take your point and that other religious celebrations have had to be curtailed by lockdown, because we are traditionally a Christian society a large % of people of all religions have 'free' time off work at christmas and use the time to visit family.

Christmas probably should be cancelled and we should all know whose fault it is.
 
I've worked on Christmas and/or Christmas Eve for the last few years. A lot of the time people find it hard getting time off for other religious holidays at the best of times, get pressured to work Saturday or other days etc. So they do end up seeing family on Christmas, one reason being it might not be possible on other occasions. I totally get why cloo is pissed off, I am too frankly. Everyone else has had to give up their religious holidays and I probably should have more sympathy than I do.
 
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It’s impetus, it’s deeply ingrained that Christmas is time off and time to see the family, exacerbated by captialism really selling us the myth of Christmas.


I can understand why people aren’t going to behave during it but it is very frustrating that the inevitable disaster is going to happen with people rushing around.


I haven’t seen my family since last November or my work colleagues in person since March. It’s been a very long year. Just fucking deal with one low key Christmas and save it till next year people.
 
They had strict isolation, quarantine and lockdown rules at airports and internally. They might well be hiding numbers :hmm: and did fuck up at first but the few people I know there are calm and confident.

My friend and his family moved to Shanghai a few weeks ago. 2 weeks in a hotel strict quarantine and he is now living a normal life from what I see on his social.

Also Taiwan had a massive festival last week. I can't get the video to share which is probably just as well as the music is terrible EDM.

God knows how draconian it was and who knows what happened that we never heard about but it seems to have worked.
 
Sorry quimcunx I didn't mean to have a go, I'm feeling a bit fed up this evening :(, it can be really difficult to get time off school/work for other dates for other religions tho which is one big reason why some people spend the time then as opposed to other times. I am luckily in a position where I can take those days off and usually volunteer to work on Christmas at least a few hours tbh, I don't mind and there's usually fewer distractions as less people are online.
 
Apologies for facetiousness here, but ...

'They'** can abolish Xmas as much as they fucking want :cool:

**'They'? Wot? Those Muslimiacs? :eek: :D :p ;)

And if 'they' did 'stop 'hard-working families' enjoying their 'Family Xmas' ;), , I'd agree with all and any Covid-safety-related reasons cited :) :cool: :p

BUT!!

If they abolish, or even 'ban' ;) :hmm:, any Time-Off-(Mas;) ) over Xmas, then there'll be trouble ahead .... :hmm: :mad:

;)
 
Apologies for facetiousness here, but ...

'They'** can abolish Xmas as much as they fucking want :cool:

**'They'? Wot? Those Muslimiacs? :eek: :D :p ;)

And if 'they' did 'stop 'hard-working families' enjoying their 'Family Xmas' ;), , I'd agree with all and any Covid-safety-related reasons cited :) :cool: :p

BUT!!

If they abolish, or even 'ban' ;) :hmm:, any Time-Off-(Mas;) ) over Xmas, then there'll be trouble ahead .... :hmm: :mad:

;)
I think I'm with you here. Not sure, as I'm fairly pissed.

The prospect of not being able to see family over xmas is positively appealing.

My reading of the various output at the moment is that they are gearing up to an announcement that the pubs will stay shut and there will be no non-league football, etc in order to enable "family christmas" to happen. Bastards.

(sorry, christmas in my family is fairly grim historically)
 
As there are more dysfunctional families than we can shake a stick at, or that these families themselves will admit and insist on drunken argy-bargy xmases year in year out, maybe many will be glad of COVID in this sense in a sick kind of way, no feeling forced to spend time with people we dont want to.
 
Absolutely this. I wasn't looking for sad responses to my post. I don't like my wider family. They don't like me. An excuse not to have to spend time with each other is a big plus for all involved.
Sorry you are one of the ones who have the misfortune to have a dysfunctional family.
I used to think I hated Christmas when in reality I later realised I hated spending time with so many people.
I once told my mum it was overwhelming and she rolled her eyes, I'm aspie though so now I know it was overwhelming.
I remember drawing a circle with six little circles inside of the circle, this represented my family, I drew a small circle outside of the large circle containing the six small circles, that little circle was me. Sorry for derail. Back to COVID the imposed mass OCD of 2020.
 
Slightly less facetiously now -- neither festivaldeb nor I ever have any family commitments over any Xmas ....

Deb was adopted, and she now has no relatives bar one or two pretty elderly adopting-family's cousins in the IoW -- rarely seen.

The 'Walworth family' ;) generally don't meet up until well into the NY -- the last time we met up between Xmas and NY, it was OK, but after that, we all decided ... for reasons :eek: ;) ... to revert to meeting up the following Jan or Feb ;) ....

There's talk in 2021 of an Edinburgh gathering for our lot, because my nephew has a new (and well-paid) job with flat up there now and he's invited us .... but if that happens before late-Feb, I'd be beyond surprised.

Hence importance for us of Happy Lie-In-Mas over the actual Xmas week :)
 
Just how desperate are people to have Christmas saved, out there in the world? Is that actually what the public wants, overall, or is it just the papers?
I think a lot of people want to be with their families at Christmas, especially this year when they've seen little of them. But there's going to be a big variation in what people mean by a 'normal' Christmas. Does it mean a famliy get-together for the 25th/26th or two weeks of family visits and drinks with old friends?
 
I think a lot of people want to be with their families at Christmas, especially this year when they've seen little of them. But there's going to be a big variation in what people mean by a 'normal' Christmas. Does it mean a famliy get-together for the 25th/26th or two weeks of family visits and drinks with old friends?
Ok, I did say want when really I meant how many will actually do it. Anyone rabidly anti-lockdown is going to do what they want anyway, assuming they have anyone to do it with, but what about everyone else? Are some people who generally support public health measures really thinking that even a two-day family get-together is worth the risk?
 
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