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I'm not going out ...

The recent figures are, frankly, frightening - but not surprising.
I just hope that * most * are mild cases, but from the figures elbows was supplying upthread, the plague is getting into the older, more vulnerable sectors.

As for those fricking tories and their no lockdown/open the economy mantra ...
 
In my case, milk, eggs and beer, 20 minutes walk.

I've stopped giving a fuck about the number of peple out and about. It would wind me up first time round, when they'd take too long faffing around in the corner shop whilst I waited outside. I'm done with that. Not because vaccine woo, the vaccine :rolleyes: but just CBA with it all any more.

Course still doing the handwashing, mask business, avoiding crowded places but the feeling on edge, nope.
 
One message I do think this country needs now is that if they don't visit family and friends for just this one sodding Christmas, they will see much more of them, much sooner next year.

But this will not get backed up if they open everything up for one frenzy of activity in December and vaguely tell people 'Well, use your common sense' :facepalm:
 
One message I do think this country needs now is that if they don't visit family and friends for just this one sodding Christmas, they will see much more of them, much sooner next year.

But this will not get backed up if they open everything up for one frenzy of activity in December and vaguely tell people 'Well, use your common sense' :facepalm:

Or ever again. For me its not so much that Christmas will really spread the virus as much as it is who it will spread to.

My fear is that there is a lot of elderly grandparents out there who have been isolated from the virus whether it be by choice or circumstance. The traditional family Christmas with gran and gramps and all the generations really puts these people at risk. Especially as the toxic it's ok if it's its just close family / close friends, I trust you giggle attitude still pervades.
 
One message I do think this country needs now is that if they don't visit family and friends for just this one sodding Christmas, they will see much more of them, much sooner next year.
Really agree with this.

It is hard though.

My sister (teacher, two kids at other schools and husband a key worker) is struggling. Despite being a very logical fellow and nearly 80 suggested he could drive up (6 hours) and help out :facepalm: to which she said firmly NO and chided him for suggesting it. He is a hard old bastard and very fit/strong but got floored by pneumonia last year ffs.

Am not saying he is right (the idiot) but families get protective and a bit desperate.

I have been training him on Zoom for some virtual Winterval times. Will see how that goes :rolleyes: :D
 
One message I do think this country needs now is that if they don't visit family and friends for just this one sodding Christmas, they will see much more of them, much sooner next year.

But this will not get backed up if they open everything up for one frenzy of activity in December and vaguely tell people 'Well, use your common sense' :facepalm:


This would be sensible.

Were he still around, would likely have gone to my dad's , just me and him for Christmas itself as I've done for most of my adult life. May well have reconsidered of course. , given the situation. IN any event, have been invited to other family this year but think I'll stay here for various reasons but also that same one. i.e. trains will probably be busy and if infection rates are still high, that seems an unnecessary risk to take with older family mmembres.
 
So we're having this again. People going out to the shops and saying OOMG I can't believe how busy it is, look at all these people in the shops. :D


I mean no where else is open and it's been really mild. Why are you going out.
I thought I was on the London lockening thread tbh.
Two pharmacies, flu jab and parcel return :p
 
yeah, loads - look at hospital admissions and positive tests which have been posted on this thread in the last couple of days. Deaths is the last thing for them to show up in, unfortunately...

After a period where the increases mostly stalled when looked at overall nationally, more recent England total daily hospital admissions trends are disturbing to me.

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As for the latest (smoothed via 7 day rolling averages) regional admissions/hospital diagnosis picture, the decrease seen in North West admission rates has most recently stopped, and I am waiting to see if it continues at this level, starts to decrease or goes back up. I will probably zoom in on the major hospital trusts in the region so I can see what sort of a mix of increases/decreases/no change are happening in that region. Also the South Easts daily admissions are now overtaking Londons. I am in the Midlands where things are becoming very bad.

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Using data from Statistics » COVID-19 Hospital Activity
 
After a period where the increases mostly stalled when looked at overall nationally, more recent England total daily hospital admissions trends are disturbing to me.

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As for the latest (smoothed via 7 day rolling averages) regional admissions/hospital diagnosis picture, the decrease seen in North West admission rates has most recently stopped, and I am waiting to see if it continues at this level, starts to decrease or goes back up. I will probably zoom in on the major hospital trusts in the region so I can see what sort of a mix of increases/decreases/no change are happening in that region. Also the South Easts daily admissions are now overtaking Londons. I am in the Midlands where things are becoming very bad.

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Using data from Statistics » COVID-19 Hospital Activity
Yeah, sorry - I'm a bit too tightly focused on North West. My assumptions from the hospital figures is that the first drop is from the level 3 restrictions, and it's likely to continue downwards once the effects of the tighter restrictions kick in though? Maybe not.
 
After a period where the increases mostly stalled when looked at overall nationally, more recent England total daily hospital admissions trends are disturbing to me.

View attachment 238700
As for the latest (smoothed via 7 day rolling averages) regional admissions/hospital diagnosis picture, the decrease seen in North West admission rates has most recently stopped, and I am waiting to see if it continues at this level, starts to decrease or goes back up. I will probably zoom in on the major hospital trusts in the region so I can see what sort of a mix of increases/decreases/no change are happening in that region. Also the South Easts daily admissions are now overtaking Londons. I am in the Midlands where things are becoming very bad.

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Using data from Statistics » COVID-19 Hospital Activity
Is this because of people going out the week before lockdown? Seems weird it would slow down and then come back again
 
I'm in the south east. That line looks bad

The SE is a big region, have you looked at what's happening in your local area?

I am in the SE, but I know from my SiS there's 'only' 16 covid cases in our 3-hospital wide trust, so maybe 6 or 7 from the Worthing borough, new daily cases are down over 20% in the last 7 days, whereas nationally they are up 26%, I find some comfort in that.
 
I know a few people in similar situations who have strictly isolated for the 14 days prior to seeing someone vulnerable. Probably not a bad compromise.
I’ve considered that but my job is office based and need to be in office as internet connection too slow at home
 
Yeah, sorry - I'm a bit too tightly focused on North West. My assumptions from the hospital figures is that the first drop is from the level 3 restrictions, and it's likely to continue downwards once the effects of the tighter restrictions kick in though? Maybe not.

There are so many variables that I struggle to properly tell accurate stories about a bunch of national and regional trends, until those trends far far more pronounced.

Within the following spolier tag is an initial attempt to graph major North West hospital trusts daily admissions/diagnoses. I post them here in a form that is too small to read the details, and each trust has its own scale on the y axis, but the idea is to look at the various different shapes as an overview to see how complicated the daily hospital admissions/diagnoses data is when looking below the surface. Its a mixed pixture, plus there are more factors that can influence admission rates than just how many people would ideally be treated in hospital that day there are. And this is the same data that, as has been recently mentioned in this conversation, only extends as far as November 8th.

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I think there might be in theory, but I've not seen them enforced since the summer. In supermarkets at least - other shops I've been in have operated fairly strict number controls.
I rang my sister up this afternoon she works in Morrison’s , ironically in Barnard Castle. They have a clicker counter app or something counting people in/out, obviously that’s just her store .
 
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