Coronavirus in the UK - news, lockdown and discussion

[quimcunx]

missed the main bit. Guy now saying hospital admissions are women 20-40 reflecting their jobs and roles in society.

also if spread is within households rather than between households (not sure which) is the main issue then what? Do they support households by providing hotel space for some household members?

 

[TopCat]

...and given we've just had "science" on the national broadcaster saying if we don't do something now we're fucked, it seems a little odd that the PM is leaving us all hanging in the face of impending doom.

I kept thinking he was on the verge of a smirk today when talking about comparative death rates.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Save Christmas. A new slogan the nation can get behind.

Not for miserable bastards, like me.

 

[mauvais]

The question is how fast, and how hard, lockdown 2 will be.

Short, sharp, shock or faff about with pubs and garden parties for another fortnight?

I strongly suspect it will look like the Bolton restrictions, applied nationally. You might think of that as more like the latter of your two possibilities, I don't know.

[Withdrawn] Bolton: local restrictions

Find out what you can and cannot do if you live, work or travel in Bolton.

www.gov.uk

 

[TopCat]

I was hoping that the numbers i had done in my head were wrong somehow. Numberline fail, bang on the head etc.

However Vallance confirmed it. 200,000 new cases a day by Oct end.

I am trying not to carry it further forward.

 

[Spandex]

I agree. There's some suggestion that doing it this way was to scare the cabinet members & Tory back benchers that are against any further restrictions, and allow it to sink in before Johnson comes forward to announce further restrictions.

It looks very much like this to me.

The pair of them very publicly standing there and saying that without further restrictions hundreds of people will be dying every day in just over a month feels like it's aimed at bouncing the government into action rather than just informing people of where we are.

 

[killer b]

I strongly suspect it will look like the Bolton restrictions, applied nationally. You might think of that as more like the latter of your two possibilities, I don't know.

[Withdrawn] Bolton: local restrictions

Find out what you can and cannot do if you live, work or travel in Bolton.

www.gov.uk

I'm expecting something along these lines. Announcement about furlough extension / replacement sometime this week too?

 

[weepiper]

Nicola Sturgeon and Jason Leitch giving a briefing at 12.15, if you want to know what Boris is going to wait til tomorrow to announce.

 

[TopCat]

I strongly suspect it will look like the Bolton restrictions, applied nationally. You might think of that as more like the latter of your two possibilities, I don't know.

[Withdrawn] Bolton: local restrictions

Find out what you can and cannot do if you live, work or travel in Bolton.

www.gov.uk

The measures haven't worked in Bolton. They will have to be different to make a difference.

 

[mauvais]

The measures haven't worked in Bolton. They will have to be different to make a difference.

'Haven't worked' is complicated. The week-on-week trend is currently flat. But yeah, if you or I were in charge of this, we would probably agree that it's insufficient. This doesn't mean that new restrictions will be any tighter.

Current measures started on September 6th, I think.

 

[TopCat]

It's hard to get back from perceptions of incompetence. The measures will need to be consistent and simple enough for people who dont pay much attention.

 

[killer b]

I honestly think the single most important thing is probably furlough. If it's not extended or replaced everything else is pissing in the wind.

 

[maomao]

I honestly think the single most important thing is probably furlough. If it's not extended or replaced everything else is pissing in the wind.

Right now they are sitting in a room trying to work out the strictest regime they can that won't involve furlough.

 

[maomao]

Nicola Sturgeon and Jason Leitch giving a briefing at 12.15, if you want to know what Boris is going to wait til tomorrow to announce.

Not sure we're allowed to watch that in England.

 

[TopCat]

Right now they are sitting in a room trying to work out the strictest regime they can that won't involve furlough.

Get Priti Patel to do the numbers.

 

[killer b]

Right now they are sitting in a room trying to work out the strictest regime they can that won't involve furlough.

Fairly sure we're already at that point. If the Bolton model - or something a bit stricter - is to be rolled out more widely, it'll have to come with financial support for businesses which can't open.

 

[weltweit]

Not sure we're allowed to watch that in England.

BBC News has been carrying Scottish announcements.

In fact Nicola Sturgeon is speaking now.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Not sure we're allowed to watch that in England.

It's on the BBC News channel now.

It's normally on Sky too, but they are repeating the 11 am briefing. And, now on Sky too.

 

[mauvais]

You can just watch BBC Scotland anyway.

 

[killer b]

I think he was joking guys

 

[TopCat]

What is Nicola saying? The same message but in Scots?

 

[maomao]

What is Nicola saying? The same message but in Scots?

She was saying something about 'a package' (money) when I turned on but seemed a little short on details.

 

[mauvais]

What is Nicola saying? The same message but in Scots?

Scotland's doing alright but needs to take more measures to avoid a full lockdown. Do your bit for the collective good, WFH if you can can, download the app. Then the usual reiteration of current rules.

Goes without saying that it's much more coherent and personable than any of our English equivalents.

 

[cupid_stunt]

What is Nicola saying? The same message but in Scots?

Mainly just waffle TBH, but did suggest she will be announcing new restrictions in the next 48 hours.

 

[agricola]

Most of South Wales is going to have restrictions from 1800 tomorrow.

 

[existentialist]

Most of South Wales is going to have restrictions from 1800 tomorrow.

Where's that from? Just wondering how far west it extends...

ETA: the reason I'm asking is that the language used was "not ruling out a lockdown"

Wales-wide coronavirus lockdown 'not ruled out' - Gething

Wales Health Minister Vaughan Gething said it was possible more local restrictions could be introduced this week

www.walesonline.co.uk

 

[agricola]

Where's that from? Just wondering how far west it extends...

Vaughan Gething in a press conference going on now. Its from Bridgend to the border with England, apparently.

Welsh Government @WelshGovernment

Yn fyw nawr gyda'r Gweinidog Iechyd Vaughan Gething | Live now with Health Minister Vaughan Gething

www.pscp.tv

full list here:

 

[quimcunx]

Scotland's doing alright but needs to take more measures to avoid a full lockdown. Do your bit for the collective good, WFH if you can can, download the app. Then the usual reiteration of current rules.

Goes without saying that it's much more coherent and personable than any of our English equivalents.

It's not like Scotland are doing much better* really, but she's clear, consistent and doesn't have to lie all the time to cover corruption and actions that fall short of mediocre, let alone world beating promises.

*maybe they are doing a bit better than a snapshot suggests, if you remember school went back earlier than in England.

 

[Badgers]

The question is how fast, and how hard, lockdown 2 will be.

Short, sharp, shock or faff about with pubs and garden parties for another fortnight?

The latter. With slogans and blame and half measures.

 

[HalloweenJack]

This is like a bad cinema-endless previews and no main feature.
If you are going to announce, announce already.
Leadership 101.