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Badgers said:
Wonder how much the 'Get Tested' advertising campaign cost? Maybe they need to pay more Love Island 'influencers' to post on Instagram or some other shit. The grubby cunts
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They divided boris johnson's children into five teams to brainstorm this. The children came up with several ideas for the campaign and the one Dominic Cummings liked best went to a graphic designer. Each child received a quarter of aniseed balls
 
A friend of mine and her partner have been self-isolating since March because he has an auto-immune disease. My view, even as someone who takes the virus pretty seriously because I have long-term fatigue from it, is that the risk from meeting people outdoors and maintaining distance is so low that even vulnerable people could reasonably feel safe doing it now. We know more about how people get the virus now and I'm not sure this long-term full self-isolation (presumably until a vaccine is found?) is the right thing to be doing, particularly when you balance against the mental health risk. What do people think?
 
Brainaddict said:
A friend of mine and her partner have been self-isolating since March because he has an auto-immune disease. My view, even as someone who takes the virus pretty seriously because I have long-term fatigue from it, is that the risk from meeting people outdoors and maintaining distance is so low that even vulnerable people could reasonably feel safe doing it now. We know more about how people get the virus now and I'm not sure this long-term full self-isolation (presumably until a vaccine is found?) is the right thing to be doing, particularly when you balance against the mental health risk. What do people think?
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I think folk in that position should very much be allowed to make their own decisions regarding the various risks and receive support for whatever route they choose.
 
brogdale said:
I think folk in that position should very much be allowed to make their own decisions regarding the various risks and receive support for whatever route they choose.
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Well, they're adults. Nobody is going to stop them making their own decisions. I'm a friend, not a boss. I don't think it's good for them though, and I don't think at this point it's really supported by the evidence.
 
Looby said:
Our local paper reported that the testing site is fucked and people should just turn up at our local testing site. People in Dorset were being offered tests in Manchester when it was clear by driving past that it was dead and there was shitloads of capacity.
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My Dad lives in Gloucestershire and is due to have a minor OP tomorrow, so had to go to the hospital yesterday for a test beforehand.

Didn't actually ask him about how busy the test dept was, was more curious about what it was like to have something stuck up his nose.
 
Brainaddict said:
A friend of mine and her partner have been self-isolating since March because he has an auto-immune disease. My view, even as someone who takes the virus pretty seriously because I have long-term fatigue from it, is that the risk from meeting people outdoors and maintaining distance is so low that even vulnerable people could reasonably feel safe doing it now. We know more about how people get the virus now and I'm not sure this long-term full self-isolation (presumably until a vaccine is found?) is the right thing to be doing, particularly when you balance against the mental health risk. What do people think?
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I'd follow the official advice. Depends on what their condition is, and how 'at risk' they actually are, and only their doctor or specialist will know that. But yes, given this is for the forseeable balancing risk with quality of life is important I think.
 
Brainaddict said:
I don't set a lot of stock in govt advice, but fwiw I thought they had advised everyone to stop shielding Advice for people at high risk from coronavirus (clinically extremely vulnerable)
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This government has repeatedly shown it doesn't know its arse from its elbow.

As someone with an immune condition I am well aware of how fucking damaging this situation has been to my already tenuous mental health, my life has crashed almost to a halt even though I'm making trips to the supermarket and into town once a week. Fuck knows when I'll see any of my family again at this point.

Your friends can do as much or as little as they feel comfortable with. I'm finding even going on the tube stressful, the end results of Covid seem to stretch from "a bit of flu" to "dying" to "lung issues for the forseeable future if not your entire life" which means that ultimately its up to the people involved how much they want to risk catching it. People at heightened risk are more than able to just Nope the fuck out and try and stay as isolated as possible, the hard part for them is balancing that out to a level that does the least harm to them psychologically.
 
Artaxerxes said:
This government has repeatedly shown it doesn't know its arse from its elbow.

As someone with an immune condition I am well aware of how fucking damaging this situation has been to my already tenuous mental health, my life has crashed almost to a halt even though I'm making trips to the supermarket and into town once a week. Fuck knows when I'll see any of my family again at this point.

Your friends can do as much or as little as they feel comfortable with. I'm finding even going on the tube stressful, the end results of Covid seem to stretch from "a bit of flu" to "dying" to "lung issues for the forseeable future if not your entire life" which means that ultimately its up to the people involved how much they want to risk catching it. People at heightened risk are more than able to just Nope the fuck out and try and stay as isolated as possible, the hard part for them is balancing that out to a level that does the least harm to them psychologically.
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I'm not suggesting they follow government advice, just saying what it is because someone mentioned it. I think they should be more cautious than the government advice. But you're talking about being worried on the tube, but they wouldn't dream of that - they have literally not met another human being since March, or done anything out of the house except walk alone near their home.
 
Mrs Miggins said:
Absolute madness.
"avoiding peak time travel" my arse :rolleyes:
It's impossible unless they move to some sort of shift pattern or as you say, everyone doing a drastically reduced working day.

What reasons are they giving for wanting everyone back in?
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Shares in Pret a Manger maybe
Genuinely surprised that actual employers are buying into the Govt's shit. Companies care about 2 things first and most importantly the bottom line and then they care about their employees welfare because it affects the bottom line. The fact that the coffee bar across the road is struggling doesn't tend to enter into any calculations.
 
MickiQ said:
Shares in Pret a Manger maybe
Genuinely surprised that actual employers are buying into the Govt's shit. Companies care about 2 things first and most importantly the bottom line and then they care about their employees welfare because it affects the bottom line. The fact that the coffee bar across the road is struggling doesn't tend to enter into any calculations.
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:hmm:
 
Brainaddict said:
I'm not suggesting they follow government advice, just saying what it is because someone mentioned it. I think they should be more cautious than the government advice. But you're talking about being worried on the tube, but they wouldn't dream of that - they have literally not met another human being since March, or done anything out of the house except walk alone near their home.
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As I say its up to them, if they don't think its worth the risk they can stay at home and I won't judge them for it. I hope they are at least taking time to get on the phone or video calls as much as possible though.
 
MickiQ said:
Genuinely surprised that actual employers are buying into the Govt's shit.
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I don't believe many are. They will have their own agenda wanting employees to work from home or return to work. Some might be concerned over welfare but more I think will be looking at the benefits/savings of not running an office.

Thinking back to my past employers some were cunts that trusted none of their staff. Others would have much preferred staff to work from home.
 
Artaxerxes said:
:hmm:
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It's a bit like the Three Laws of Robotics.
1) Companies shall protect their profitability
2) Companies shall look after their staff except where such actions conflicts with the 1st Law
3) Companies shall care about society generally except where such actions conflict with the 1st Law but not really that arsed about the 2nd Law
 
Brainaddict said:
Pretty damn low. I think you'd struggle to find any cases of people who had got it outdoors, keeping 1-2m distance and wearing a mask. I guess I worry about my friends getting into an unhealthy place with it. They're both quite depressive as it is.
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And that is a risk, hence why there is some balance to be struck even for people who are 'clinically extremely vulnerable'. I mean at the worst you could sit in a room for a year to avoid catching it, and then go out once for a medical appointment, catch it and die having had a right shit last year of life.

I know someone who's got a terminal cancer diagnosis with a not very long prognosis and is extremely clinically vulnerable, and they've ignored all official advice after a chat with their oncologist and doctor and have gone about having loads of fun and seeing people etc. and tbh why the fuck not in their position.
 
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