frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
I agree.
Coronavirus in the UK - news, lockdown and discussion
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I agree.
Supine
Newt Member
Just been into an emergency work meeting.
Company are concerned about lockdown easing and people’s complacency in the uk. For the future we are doubling down on covid restrictions, working from home where possible for the foreseeable and being asked to challenge any unsafe behaviours on site, even if it’s from the management team.
That’s how it should be done
Company are concerned about lockdown easing and people’s complacency in the uk. For the future we are doubling down on covid restrictions, working from home where possible for the foreseeable and being asked to challenge any unsafe behaviours on site, even if it’s from the management team.
That’s how it should be done
andysays
Love and solidarity
There have been, to say the least, mixed messages around this, as around most other stuff.
And the overall priority of the government appears to have been to encourage people to start spending money to get the economy going again, including taking foreign holidays.
Chilli.s
mingling jets and statuettes
Pretty sure it doesn't apply to him.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
I agree, but I'm not so sure about "they know the risks" - if you listen to most people making a (non-professional) assessment of risk, a lot of it boils down to a fairly binary "Argh, no" vs "Feh, it'll be FINE". My guess is that for a lot of people making (or assessing) holiday plans, the presumption will be in favour of continuing with the original plan, ie. going.
Of course, if the government wanted to back up its "let's get back to normal" message with, you know, actual action, they'd have done more to indemnify people against the financial implications of having to quarantine beyond suggesting that they take annual leave or rely on the iniquitous UC system.
FWIW, I wouldn't even be making plans to go abroad on holiday right now, and I do find it remarkable (if not surprising) that people are.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
Pretty sure HE won't be spending a couple of hours on the UC hotline even if he did quarantine...
wtfftw
melting like a toastie
Surely they could just drive right through without stopping, ok maybe for petrol and not talk to anyone, or something? You know, like how Cummings crossed the country with a symptomatic person in the car.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
They almost certainly could do that, it'd be a bit shit though and not (AFAIK) following the rules. I really don't like this let's find loopholes and contradictions we can exploit attitude among some people. I understand the reasons why it's there, but I do think it's a bit selfish and quite entitled.
For some kind of anarchist I'm a terrible stickler for the rules.
wtfftw
melting like a toastie
Yes. I was definitely suggesting that as an actual course of action.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Sorry, wasn't meaning you, just that tendency I've seen. Some of my friends have been the worst tbh.
magneze
🎧
Yeah, I meant overseas. Holidays are important. I'm having one very soon but not leaving the country.
elbows
Well-Known Member
I havent checked the dates thoroughly but that was weeks ago so his quarantine period probably ended already. He was certainly at the scene of the train crash recently.
Grant Shapps: Too soon to say if cutbacks led to fatal rail crash
TSSA general secretary Manuel Cortes previously warned austerity on the infrastructure operator will ‘endanger passengers’ lives’.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
I havent checked the dates thoroughly but that was weeks ago so his quarantine period probably ended already. He was certainly at the scene of the train crash recently.
Grant Shapps: Too soon to say if cutbacks led to fatal rail crash
TSSA general secretary Manuel Cortes previously warned austerity on the infrastructure operator will ‘endanger passengers’ lives’.www.shropshirestar.com
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He was on Radio 4 this morning saying he quarentined and it ended then he went straight to Scotland.
elbows
Well-Known Member
It remains an awkward stage of the pandemic where I dont think they've quite figured out whether the pictures shown by various different parts of the surveillance system are spot on, and how far they can actually go with various things. Its also possible that they thought doing some of the relaxing at the same time they were imposing restrictions on a big chunk of the north west wasnt the best idea, although that didnt stop them reopening shops around the same time Leicester had its 'local lockdown' imposed.
And the tone from the likes of Whitty has always been different to Johnson, eg I think Whitty made it fairly obvious that reopening the pubs made him nervous. And even someone like Johnson who wants to press on is very occasionally going to take the opportunity to look like he is taking things seriously and not being reckless.
As for what could actually have changed in recent weeks, I have to scrape around to find things. Its possible they were waiting to see if the increased cases detected turned into anything that would show up in hospital and death data. And one part of our surveillance system, the general home population sampling where they test a bunch of people every week, most recently leads to language in ONS reports about it such as:
Levelled off being the key phrase there.
From Coronavirus (COVID-19) Infection Survey pilot - Office for National Statistics
Since its a balancing act I suppose its also possible that any data they have that leads to more confidence in the track & trace system, or things like greater compliance with mask-wearing, would also affect how they see the balance and what they think they can get away with.
As for schools and what they do to the balancing act, I doubt we have heard the last of that.
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Which is interesting, given transport is, I believe, a devolved issue.I havent checked the dates thoroughly but that was weeks ago so his quarantine period probably ended already. He was certainly at the scene of the train crash recently.
Grant Shapps: Too soon to say if cutbacks led to fatal rail crash
TSSA general secretary Manuel Cortes previously warned austerity on the infrastructure operator will ‘endanger passengers’ lives’.
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elbows
Well-Known Member
The media should not have stopped going on about care homes. I mentioned this in regards last weeks surveillance reports but this weeks report is more explicit about the care home stuff.
Buddy Bradley
Pantheistic solipsist
Some of that is presumably just correlation, though, no? Older people are affected more than younger; older people are more likely to live in care homes; ergo instances of Covid in care homes are disproportionately high compared to other housing/businesses.
elbows
Well-Known Member
But when the media stop talking about them it creates the impression that outbreaks involving care homes have ceased. Likewise in the last month or so there are plenty of media reports that make it sound like the people currently testing positive are mostly young, and thats not right either. Whats actually more likely to have been seen is bigger rises in younger people, but the 85+ category still seem to have the most confirmed cases whenever I've looked at the weekly ONS report, and some rises in the older group also recently.
I mention these things mostly to try to keep the full picture and detail in view, not to make any dramatic claims. Because the current rate of death does not resemble the terrible levels seen earlier in the year and the numbers of people testing positive are also not comparable to that earlier dreadful phase, so I dont think there is a dramatic story to tell. The media are fickle though, we saw them get bored with lockdown and ready to move on to the next set of pandemic stories well before the masses reached the same stage of fatigue. Same with PPE.
I mention these things mostly to try to keep the full picture and detail in view, not to make any dramatic claims. Because the current rate of death does not resemble the terrible levels seen earlier in the year and the numbers of people testing positive are also not comparable to that earlier dreadful phase, so I dont think there is a dramatic story to tell. The media are fickle though, we saw them get bored with lockdown and ready to move on to the next set of pandemic stories well before the masses reached the same stage of fatigue. Same with PPE.
Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
France travel advice
FCDO travel advice for France. Includes safety and security, insurance, entry requirements and legal differences.www.gov.uk
I presume there will be some jostling for places on UK bound ferries tomorrow....
Ferries, planes and trains stuffed as full as they can be with people coming back from a place with increasing levels of infection. Can’t possibly see any downside to this...
elbows
Well-Known Member
For comparison, the survey test based stuff that I linked to earlier that was the source of the 'levelling off' comment I quoted, has this as their estimate of number of cases, but note this only includes the 'community population' (private homes etc):
They've started covering Wales too:
They've started covering Wales too:
scifisam
feck! arse! girls! drink!
The people that I know who are holidaying abroad and will have to quarantine aren't complaining about it. Obvs they're not overjoyed about it, but they knew it was a possibility when they left, and only went if they could manage potential quarantine afterwards.
Supine
Newt Member
do you have rate of change over time for those? I’d be interested to see them. Pretty sure I remember less than 1 in 2100 being infected in the UK. If that’s what it is in Wales at the moment the numbers are definitely worse than a month or so ago.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Tempted to pretend to work I've been to France so I can have 2 weeks at home with the cat and reading tbh.
Chilli.s
mingling jets and statuettes
Eggzakery, possibly the easiest way to get 2 weeks of work that's ever come along. "No I don't have proof, sorry a family friend paid the tickets, kept no receipts due to contaminants, it's the responsible thing to do ... bla bla bla".
andysays
Love and solidarity
Good luck getting paid in that situation...
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
I'd be wfh home anyway, just wfh on quarantine and going quietly mad.
Like.... Erm, now.
Like.... Erm, now.
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