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True. But as much of the accomodation is outsourced to private companies there is an element of "not our problem" in the thinking.

As many UG courses are now finishing up for the term there's a "get them done, get them off campus" rationale that would see much smaller numbers to manage on campus over the coming weeks.

We'll see of course. I'm astonished there hasn't been a more major outbreak at a University thus far.
Reckon the time for 'getting rid' is rapidly diminishing, tbh. But, yeah...it's many of the accommodation blocks with (yearly contracted) foreign students that just can't close.
 
True. But as much of the accomodation is outsourced to private companies there is an element of "not our problem" in the thinking.

As many UG courses are now finishing up for the term there's a "get them done, get them off campus" rationale that would see much smaller numbers to manage on campus over the coming weeks.

We'll see of course. I'm astonished there hasn't been a more major outbreak at a University thus far.
After years of doing fuck all to assist workers working from home suddenly the HEI I work at has found, within a week, that it has been able to develop strategies to facilitate working at home, even the delivery of teaching sessions . Strange that isn't it.
 
It's all rumours, hearsay, and speculation, but there's been a lot of it going back decades - allegedly Adderall was his drug of choice during his Celebrity Apprentice days, but he's now using phentermine.

From a 1993 Trump biography:




Still, world leaders using amphetamines has a fine and noble history. Going all the way back to [checks notes] Hitler.
 
After years of doing fuck all to assist workers working from home suddenly the HEI I work at has found, within a week, that it has been able to develop strategies to facilitate working at home, even the delivery of teaching sessions . Strange that isn't it.
The out-sourcing genie?
 
I help look after my mam, who will visit her if I'm isolated? I'm not scared of the virus but what I am really worried about is the measures to be taken.
The way this affects social care is scary. People who need care and support can't self-isolate - and if they usually receive care from family or friends who don't live with them, or they employ their own PAs under a personal budget, what happens if their carers have to self-isolate? I've replied to a friend's callout for people who can assist her with personal care and household tasks if her PAs are sick or self-isolating - she needs someone with her all the time (and she lives independently, and her family aren't close by), so its really worrying her.
 
Not in this case. Just managers suddenly deciding that people don't actually need to be at their desks + some IT issues that, while apparently unsolvable a month ago, have now been addressed.
Good to hear but, of course, the psychopathic vermin will have viewed this crisis from the outset as a series of opportunities to trial, pilot and, in the case of class-sizes, to legislate for changes that could erode job security, de-professionalise and otherwise undermine workers' rights.
 
Good to hear but, of course, the psychopathic vermin will have viewed this crisis from the outset as a series of opportunities to trial, pilot and, in the case of class-sizes, to legislate for changes that could erode job security, de-professionalise and otherwise undermine workers' rights.
Oh absolutely, and people are being expected to do extra work to cope with problems.
 
If there’s a lock down I’m assuming carers will still be allowed to carry out home visits?

One assumes so, I doubt they will leave people like my mother without visits, but they may have to cut down on the number of visits, if they have too many staff off.

Luckily, I am self-employed & my brother is retired, so we could cover things for our mother, if required. We have actually discussed taking over anyway, if they are struggling to cover visits, to free them up to care for others in a worst situation.
 
If someone has already posted about this on other threads then apologies, but why wait till the rates of infection are high before lockdown? Would imposing a lockdown when just a few people were sick not have been better as it would have reduced the level of spread significantly? I am guessing the answer is to do with levels of preparedness?

I suppose the thinking is that no measures can be sustained indefinitely, and that if they jump the gun they face the prospect of being forced to raise certain restrictions during a perod of acute crisis, and thus worsening it. I would think there was a lot of stuff happening behind closed doors to ensure that shutdowns of this that or the other can happen in a slightly less chaotic way, but I don't see much evidence of that happening with schools so far. Teachers are largely just assuming that they'll get word at some point that they need to close in short order, and until then it's just more 'wash your hands' stuff, although apparently with no hand sanitiser as the bellends who are hoarding it aren't just affecting the consumer market, but also the sort of places where good hygiene is vital for the general public good.
 
We have been told we all might have to work from home if there is a lockdown. I already work 2 days from home (for mental health reasons) but there is no way i can afford to have the heating on every day and my house is freezing cold. and i'm too poor to stockpile anything. i went to buy rice for my tea and the shelves were empty and that'll get worse won't it? I don't have anyone to bring me supplies if I get isolation. I help look after my mam, who will visit her if I'm isolated? I'm not scared of the virus but what I am really worried about is the measures to be taken.
Hey Krink :(

Anything I/we can do to help? Send me a PM if you need anything
 

If that’s accurate it explains why no drastic lock down measures are happening.

Pandemic response has never been about stopping an outbreak, it's always been about trying to spread it out so that we don't have 500,000 people needing intensive care beds at the same time, and - simultaneously - everyone else running out of food.
 
I don't have anyone to bring me supplies if I get isolation. I help look after my mam, who will visit her if I'm isolated? I'm not scared of the virus but what I am really worried about is the measures to be taken.
Hey Krink :(Anything I/we can do to help? Send me a PM if you need anything
Is it worth having Covid-19 threads/conversations especially for this type of stuff - organising with each other to help those, or family of those, that have to self-isolate?

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Pandemic response has never been about stopping an outbreak, it's always been about trying to spread it out so that we don't have 500,000 people needing intensive care beds at the same time, and - simultaneously - everyone else running out of food.
Yep. The bit I hadn’t got my head round before is the idea that locking things down just delays the inevitable total amount of infected people, that no measures will change that eventual % who get the illness (?)
But then I still don’t get why they’re not basically banning all unnecessary crowds today?
 
We never even had any. We get thousands in daily at our uni
We've always had them as we get a lot of people who for whatever reasons do not look after themselves very well, so it's already become routine to sanitise regularly.
We've put up signs to ask for wipes when people have finished using computers and phones and we keep wiping down the touch screens on the queue management kiosks. Only one person so far has asked for a wipe.
 
Some politicians have been saying that shutting large public events would have no effect on the spread of the virus.
The goal is to 'flatten the curve'. Rather than letting the virus quickly rampage through the population and burn itself out fast, the idea is to spread all those infections out over a longer period of time.

Yes, it would potentially prolong the epidemic. But in doing so, public health agencies and the health care infrastructure gain invaluable time to respond to the crisis.
 
The UK is taking the opposite the strategy that China took, for a mix of reasons. We're now at a much more globally advanced spread of the virus than we were even not that long ago, so the chance of it being kept in one area of the world is now zero, which means long term the best chances for a population is slowing the infection rate but not eliminating it.

The nasty thing is that what's best for the population as a whole is not going to be what's best for some individuals.
 
See the Uber wealthy here are making sure they are ok.

Harley Street is doing well out of this. Jump in hiring of private jets to make sure don't have to mix with the lower orders.

This virus really showing how society operates.

Lock down won't affect them.

 
See the Uber wealthy here are making sure they are ok.

Harley Street is doing well out of this. Jump in hiring of private jets to make sure don't have to mix with the lower orders.

This virus really showing how society operates.

Lock down won't affect them.

“Members who are travelling commercially are choosing to book elite services at airports, not your typical first-class lounge,” a spokeswoman said. “For example, private terminals where guests are greeted and given their own suite. Check-in, customs and security are all done privately and guests are then taken to the doors of the aircraft. Members can request for the jetty to be cleared so they minimise the interactions with other passengers on their way to their seat.”

At which point they're then still sat in a sealed metal tube with everyone else anyway. Money can't fix stupid.
 
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